It's a tricky conundrum, because Left Libertarianism emphasizes localized egalitarian efforts, which on the one hand emphasizes the self-ownership of workers but simultaneously weakens the self-ownership of capital holders. A good example of the system in action would be a democratic workplace, such as a co-op. Whether or not protecting one group's self-ownership at the expense of another's self-ownership can be counted as Libertarian is the heat of the conundrum.
@SocialistCatgirl Thanks, I will. From where I stand now, and from what I know, you can't really have a "left libertarian". A libertarian believes in the first principal of personal liberty, and once you establish that you believe in that, you have in effect subscribed to believe a certain way about individual issues. To be a left libertarian would render your first principal inconsistant and thus your belief a fallacy.
Well, it wouldn't really be fascism if the government was taking initiatives that were not to the entire population's liking. Under such a definition, every government across the globe is Fascist. Fascism is a system where you hold the state as the ultimate ideal and marry industrialism to autocracy. Its heavy emphasis on nationalism tends to lend itself well to totalitarianism.
There are libertarian variants of Socialism you might like. Left Libertarianism is worth a look.
@SocialistCatgirl I acknowledge that their are discernable differences, but from my strict libertarian standpoint, I see them as only valuable if every last person is in full consent of the socialist measures. If one single person does not consent to his property being taken from him, it's fascism. You're arguing price, not principal.
@MrReco12 privately owned, i get it.
socialism = don´t build big companies? Oh, ok, lets have only small business. What, You want to have the next facebook??? forget it
trifulquita15 6 days ago
@trifulquita15
LOL, are you as dumb as you appear to be.
Capitalist: means of production are privately owned Idiot, privately owned.
MrReco12 6 days ago
Perfect summary of what I lived under.
oneyaker 1 week ago
Hitler destroyed the worker unions so could not be socialist, he also barred universal health care to non aryan.
In conclusion he has his facts wrong
greg91ification 1 month ago
@MrReco12 But they were both collectivist, right?
aseredy 2 months ago
@trifulquita15
Soviet Union was socialist whilst Nazi Germany wasn't!
Your an idiot!
MrReco12 6 months ago
@HammerOvThor
It's a tricky conundrum, because Left Libertarianism emphasizes localized egalitarian efforts, which on the one hand emphasizes the self-ownership of workers but simultaneously weakens the self-ownership of capital holders. A good example of the system in action would be a democratic workplace, such as a co-op. Whether or not protecting one group's self-ownership at the expense of another's self-ownership can be counted as Libertarian is the heat of the conundrum.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl Thanks, I will. From where I stand now, and from what I know, you can't really have a "left libertarian". A libertarian believes in the first principal of personal liberty, and once you establish that you believe in that, you have in effect subscribed to believe a certain way about individual issues. To be a left libertarian would render your first principal inconsistant and thus your belief a fallacy.
HammerOvThor 7 months ago
@HammerOvThor
Well, it wouldn't really be fascism if the government was taking initiatives that were not to the entire population's liking. Under such a definition, every government across the globe is Fascist. Fascism is a system where you hold the state as the ultimate ideal and marry industrialism to autocracy. Its heavy emphasis on nationalism tends to lend itself well to totalitarianism.
There are libertarian variants of Socialism you might like. Left Libertarianism is worth a look.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl I acknowledge that their are discernable differences, but from my strict libertarian standpoint, I see them as only valuable if every last person is in full consent of the socialist measures. If one single person does not consent to his property being taken from him, it's fascism. You're arguing price, not principal.
HammerOvThor 7 months ago