Bob Dylan's ID

Get the latest Penn EVERYDAY: http://crackle.com/c/Penn_Says Bob Dylan was stopped and asked for I.D. in Jersey. He didn't say, "Do you know who the fuck I am?" and he shouldn't have had to. When Penn Jillette has an opinion it's a safe bet he won't hold back. Upload your own reaction and get the rants rolling! Tune in each week for new insight and agitation. Follow PennSays on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pennsays tags: Bob Dylan's ID Penn Says @pennsays atheist politics religion libertarian penn jillette

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[pennsays]

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[macatron]

I'm 22, I"m a big Bob Dylan fan, and once I graduate from college in about 6 months, I intend to get into law enforcement.

This seems to just be a Terry Stop that happens all the time. Basically, from Terry v. Ohio, officers can stop and frisk people with a reasonable suspicion burden of proof (51% sure) that a crime is being committed or about to be committed. Most states also have "stop and identify" laws which require people that have been stopped by police to identify themselves.

[pennsays]

@macatron And apparently it's case law in New Jersey where this happened.

[pennsays]

A lot of great thoughts for a pretty tricky situation. Thanks for sharing guys!

[pennsays]

As usual, a lot of folks agree with Penn. Any souls out there disagree and not see the big deal in being asked for ID?

[20lbsledge]

I agree 1000% If you're not breaking the law then you should not be asked for ID!

[VeniVidiVid]

To answer your question: I see this as a big deal when abused, but not when done lawfully.

I think when an officer can articulate a suspicion that a crime involved, it's reasonable for him to ask a citizen to identify himself and log the contact in case a crime is actually committed.

I don't think it's reasonable (or even tolerable) for an officer to demand ID from a citizen at random without such suspicion.

See: en.wikipedia (dot) org /wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statut­es

[IoEstasCedonta]

Ever? They shouldn't have asked in that context, but I certainly think there are times the police are within their rights to ask for an ID; at the very least, if you're doing something to an item of property that would be illegal to do if you weren't the owner (like jimmying a car door), they should ask for ID.

[JPMagicca]

Well said!

[spershall]

love. penn.

[dirtynuke]

Bob Dylan strolling around a neighborhood after a long show, and gets caught up with the cops, when some guy somewhere is killing some other cat, or robin a bank. Real intelligent country we live in.

[heylover3]

@ernestgonz So is it going to say Child Molester on his drivers license? If you want to live in a country where men with guns can force you to prove who you are... then you need to hop in a time machine and go back to Germany during the late 30's.

[ernestgonz]

Ok....let's say bob is a child molester scoping out His next victim..oh don't check ID ..you a dumb ass with to much time on your hands please get back to the real world..