Threats to welfare benefits if you refuse a job offer

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Welfare benefits in Scotland are still administered by the United Kingdom central government through its Jobcentre agents, although the devolved Scottish government plays a central role in maintaining the authority of the U.K. government in Scotland to grant and to deny benefits.

For example, if the Jobcentre denies you benefits as an unemployed person -

- and consequently you have angry words with Jobcentre staff about that - if you try to protest or to fight back against the injustice of being left with nothing - then it is the police and the courts under the devolved Scottish Parliament and Scottish Executive government which would be used to arrest you, ban you from Jobcentre premises and generally uphold the authority of Jobcentre staff to treat you as badly and with as much contempt as they like

- and/or you might get relief from an initial Jobcentre decision against you with the help of your doctor (the NHS again under the Scottish Executive) who might give you a sick note for "stress" which restarts your benefits, as happened to me - see Scottish Republican News.
http://scot.cyberhost.me/scottishrepublicannews2007.htm

The point is - although in both cases, the Queen as head of state is ultimately responsible - the Scottish Executive ministers, as well as the U.K. government ministers, are also responsible for what happens.

In other words, if your benefit is stopped under U.K. rules, then that is equally the fault of the (in October 2007, "SNP") Scottish Executive government too - and it is false for the likes of the current Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond to try to escape responsibility on the grounds of welfare "not being a devolved issue".

By all means, blame the U.K. but don't forget to blame too "the dangerous dogs" (so to speak) of the royalist, fascist police state - and in Scotland currently those dangerous dogs are the SNP-run Scottish Executive under Alex Salmond.

Latest threat from the Conservatives to welfare

The cruelty of depriving people of benefits has been government policy since Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, though it has continued much the same under the U.K. Labour Blair/Brown and Scottish Labour/Lib-Dem Dewar/McLeish/McConnell/Wallace/Stephen and then SNP Salmond Executives.

So none of the main royalist parties have ever done anything other than court popularity by echoing the prejudices of the ignorant masses who persist in their reactionary view that there appear to them to be far too many "work-shy" people.

I am mentioning the Conservatives now because of the latest threat by Conservative Party leader David Cameron who promised "to stop people's benefit if they refused a job offer" (paraphrase) at the October 2007 Conservative Party conference - which prompted a radio discussion about his remarks which I participated in, as follows. IN THIS VIDEO!

TRANSCRIPT -

Gary Robertson - Hi there. What do you make of this suggestion?

Peter Dow - Well I think it is an outrage and typical stupidity from the Conservatives. .. The lesson from America is if you cut the numbers of people on benefit by depriving them of welfare, you have a huge increase in the numbers in prison - because if you deprive people of any way to survive then they will turn to crime.

So it is absolutely stupid and nothing to learn ... well if we have things to learn from America it should be republicanism. We need to get rid of the Queen et cetera ... and I'm speaking from experience because I have ...

G.R. - Well let's just focus on the issue we are talking about at hand here because the issue I suppose ultimately is there's a perception - whether it is true or not, I don't know - but there is a perception that clearly David Cameron feels and I know that other people feel as well from calling into the programme in the past, that there are people who are able to work but are choosing not to. Should we be using some kind of form of compulsion?

P.D. - Well people are not choosing not to work. They are choosing not to do the jobs which are being offered to them. What they want to do is do the jobs which are not being offered to them because they are being treated unfairly.

For example, they should be allowed to go back to university - which I am being deprived of doing to get a further qualification to then go for the job that they want to do.

So you need to treat people fairly and ... sensitively ... and, you know, people are not idle if they are unemployed. I'm, you know, working on the internet, doing a website -
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[proff180]

I agree with the caller, even if there are a small number of people who don't want work and are refusing reasonable offers I don't think the answer is to completely stop their benefits, maybe cut it down, yes, fair enough but to leave them with absolutely nothing is mad, does anyone really believe that an employer is then going to take on someone who can't even afford bus fare??...no...course not, the Government need to get real on this, they're in Cuckoo land just like with their NHS reforms.

[ScottishRepublican]

@proff180 "reasonable offers"? Who decides what is "reasonable"? The jobcentre management? You think they should get to decide what someone with twice their IQ & education must do or be sanctioned?

It is against nature to try to make very clever people the slaves of very stupid people. That way lies revolution. The state knows it so offers a "get out of Jobcentre hell free card" AKA "a sick note" for stress when the intellectual has had more than enough of taking orders from jobcentre staff.

[Jeorney]

There's a tendancy to write off all the unempoyed as lazy, good-for-nothing spongers. Many lose hope and get sucked into not looking for work. They end up pursuing unproductive activities and get into a bad habit. Its their emotional state that is holding them back. I have a degree and have been on JSA for over 6 months. Before that I was a person who actively engaged in pursuing my career in engineering. JC+ do not cater for graduates and they don't want you to take advantage of it.

[MarlonToWin]

David Cameron's final thoughts...We need money for to pay for the Olympics...I must rape the poor and the sick as we need to put on a good fireworks display for the world and for fucks sake i must make sure that the rich are safe by not touching there child benefit.

[1killerbilly]

cameron has 30 million in the bank he dont give a flying fuck all the tories never give a fuck what have they done to the bankers fuck all they caused this fuck up

[ScottishRepublican]

@TheJameszac Any strategy of resistance against the imposition of slavery which is based on what the law "is" is flawed. Why? Because, they, parliament, the courts, the government make and implement the law. It is THEIR law.

Rather it is better to organise politically to insist that the law SHOULD and MUST change to outlaw any compulsory work or slavery by asserting a constitutional right to FREEDOM.

I am offering my internet forum - the For Freedom Forums at FIGH.TK as a place to organise.

[TheJameszac]

anybody being forced on the WORK PROGRAM watch youtube video "HOW TO DESTROY THE WORK PROGRAMME" spread the word..

[5LJ3A2]

Absolutely agree with the caller. The unemployed are victims, not spongers. It is absolutely right the taxpayer should give them enough to survive on, otherwise it forces people into crime which costs the taxpayer MORE, and would threaten the welfare of other people.

[ScottishRepublican]

@renzokata Hey Tim. Both dashwwood123 and myself are in the UK-which-needs-to-be-destroyed­. But you are from the USA. You want to destroy the USA? Steady on there.

Let's destroy the UK, sure, and replace it with a republican revolution to establish British republics and instead make a more perfect union of the USA.

You might find once the UK is gone you'll feel a lot more positive about the USA when it is not being sabotaged from within by Americans who are royalists.

[renzokata]

@dashwood123 yeah, poor people are an easy target to cut spending. this very government that we swear alligiance too is fucking corrupt. the very way in which this country was founded is wrong and needs to be destroyed. back to our tribal ways, thats what i say. i dont need all this bullshit.

[menetjunky]

@ScottishRepublican great observation, thank you!