Full Book: "Against the Gods?" - from Freedomain Radio (with captions)

http://www.fdrurl.com/atg A critical examination of agnosticism and religion by Stefan Molyneux - from Freedomain Radio, the largest and most popular philosophy show in the world. http://www.freedomainradio.com

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• agnostic
• agnosticism
• dawkins
• hitchens
• harris
• atheist
• atheism
• religion
• Christian
• Christianity
• superstition
• philosophy
• science
• rationality
• reason

[Jville445]

Here is ur 1st argumn

P1) God is eternal.[by definition]

P2) God is complex.

P3) If x is eternal, then it cannot die and reproduce.

P4) If x cannot die and reproduce, then its kind cannot evolve.

C1) Therefore, if x is eternal , then its kind cannot evolve.[P3 and P4]

C2) God's kind cannot evolve. [P1 and C1]

P5) If x's kind cannot evolve, then it is the simplest thing conceivable.

C3) Therefore, God is the simplest thing conceivable. [C2 and P5]

C4) Contradiction [P2 and C3]

[stefbot]

@Jville445 thanks so much, great work!

[Plebiak]

i really dont like the argument you make that agnosticism implies that, because it might be an altern dimension, it cancels or diminish or renders inconsequent, the reality of our universe, just as the comunist laws of cuba dont cancel the laws of a democratic country. AND i am not saying that im an agnostic, or that i believe in this dimention X, just that believing in its existance or that its laws might be different dont require us to forfeit our moral and phisical reality.

[Undeterminism]

Link to book is broken.

[nbonasoro]

@Jville445 numbers dont exist you dont go outside and say oh i stepped on a number again. they are a figment of our imagination.

[QuatFax]

Democracy does not imply the existence of the state. Democracy is simply a method of decision-making. You can have democracy in a business, a trade union, or a club; none of these are (inherently) statist.

[randytate]

A cylinder half the height of its diameter, with a cylindrical hole punched through its center with a diameter equaling the radius of the cylinder. It's rational to call the result a square circle. This does not prove God exists, just saying...

[Damnationization]

@blapgat Sombody built the lego house.

[Damnationization]

@blapgat So you do not believe in "The Big Bang," then what do you believe?

[Damnationization]

@blapgat Everything in the universe is connected so an object can be of itself and is itself. Everything came from the same point in space aka "The Big Bang."

Everything you and I know is through perception. Everything.

[Damnationization]

@blapgat Yes a thing is both itself and our own perception of it. When you talk about an object you are talking about your perception of such a thing. If we were talking about a orange and you perceived it as a banana you would not understand how I describe it.

[Damnationization]

@blapgat You are trying to say you see an object you believe is an orange. It can be a small grapefruit, a fake orange, a holographic projection, a figment of your imagination, ect.

The mind effects the body so belief in somthing effects are reactions,

[Damnationization]

@blapgat A object is what it is but perspective effects what the object is.