Re: The Bible - Circular Reasoning Fallacy

A response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B86JBkROAns&mode=related&search=

The Bible is 66 books, not 1, so it's not circular to use the Bible to proove the Bible... right?

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[ouluvme2]

People can use the Bible - but there are plenty of secular books that refer to Jesus Christ! More so than the emporer of Rome at that time!

[BryanAJParry]

@ouluvme2 Hi there. First thing is that I would like you to back up your assertion, if that's true. Also, could you please tell me the exact NATURE of those references to Jesus? Also... nah, that's a good enough place for our chat to begin, I guess! :D

[WoahIsMe]

Moreover, if you, for instance, prepared a speech or wrote a book to proclaim what you believe, why would you want to include things that contradict it? That wouldn't support your cause, the message you desire to get across.

[BryanAJParry]

The thing is, tho, there are parts of the bible that really rather appear contradictory to either other parts of the bible or else Xian doctrine. But I take your point none-the-less. :)

[thisisitornot]

Yep, the whole bloody religion is like a dog running in circles chasing it's own tail.

[dragon2wolf]

ROTFLOL! It's 66 books full of fallacy after fallacy and contradictions galore. You don't need to use the circular reasoning argument to disprove it. Fact is, it was a bunch of stories written by several different people that didn't communicate with each other, whose writings were forced together to try and form a coherent story (which failed miserably)

[jizzfish]

The fact that the bible is a composite of many different books, written over approximately 2,000 years is a testament to the logical fallacy that he was trying to disprove, even more so than if it was just one book; it shows that the compilation is biased.

[ouluvme2]

@BryanAJParry Go to video - Do we have historical evidence for the life of Jesus , uploader - Acts17apologetics.

I had to "shore up" my faith in Christ, bc everyone is SO intelligent these days, and I needed more proof too, so thank GOD for the Apologetics to silence the skeptics. Thats a great place to start - then go to Clarifying Christianity website for many other ways to prove the Bible! God Bless your search!

[DoomsdayR3sistance]

As time has come along, more has been added to the lore, people use the lore for their own ends, modify it, twist it. Whatever they do there is not one system of lore anymore and there are many books based off of it; However...

I have never seen a single divine claim made about the series, nobody believes these books are of real events or sequences, however this fiction has just about as much holy merit as the bible or at least it might as well should have, the only difference is a fake claim

[DoomsdayR3sistance]

I think an interesting point I would like to make is the Lord of the Rings, we all know this is a fictional piece of work... well hopefully all of us do. It's a series of three books and in the same series as the hobbit and has a very strong lore and follow-ship of fans.

Elves, Dwarfs, Demons, Magic and even Wizards appear in this series of books and since it's release it has inspired so much more in the realms of fantasy and fantasy writing.

[BloodStainedLamb]

Good video.

Could the same argument be made with scientific theories of the origins of the earth or evolution? I'm sure thousands of scientists have come up with all sorts of models for evolution and abiogenesis. But if the theories that are made by non-credible scientists, don't line up with a working model, those theories will be discredited and discarded from scientific texts.

If something historical happened and a person isn't telling the story right, shouldn't we discard their stories?

[andytoz]

Some of, true, but not all. And by the time the new testament was actually assembled, the books had to be picked from a rather sizable assortment. What it comes down to is whether you believe the people who compiled the bible were guided by god or not. It seems a bit of a stretch to me. I think if a god was guiding the process of the bible being written it surely would have happened a lot faster than it did, and the chosen writings would have been more consistent.

[andytoz]

Are you joking? The gospels were not written in the time of christ. The earliest gospel (Mark) was written around 70 AD. There are no recorded contemporary writings about Jesus. None whatsoever.