{Rachel Maddow} Ms. Information: Voting Myths (Prop. 8)

4 December 2008

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News & Politics

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• Rachel Maddow
• Prop. 8

[MecahnicalMan]

I'm Canadian too and very proud I can marry my BF if I wanted to. Canada is may ahead of the states on this rights issue and I;m so proud to be Canadian.

[ponyboy316]

I am so proud to be Canadian. Where I definately know I'm free. I can marry my boyfriend, and adopt two kids or three.

[MichaelnChristine]

@tatomuck18 Then stop being a bigot.

[tatomuck18]

we dont want no nastyness in america.

[tatomuck18]

I dont want no nastiness.

[tatomuck18]

people who voted for prop 8 doesnt like nastiness

[tatomuck18]

Even the most liberal state doesnt want this nastiness!

[GodCreatesGays2]

formerevolutionist, you're vainly trying to introduce irrelevant, off-tangent arguments. Being gay is not only acceptable because it's natural, being gay is acceptable because it's a benign, inherent component of a person's being which, like heterosexuality, shapes who he is. It's intellectually dishonest (i.e. stupid) to compare consensual, nurturing relationships between hetero or homo adults to rape or theft, because (as rational people know), those are nonconsensual acts that violate others.

[formerevolutionist]

@GodCreatesGays2

I have heard this "born that way" argument many times. It is flawed on several levels. It commits the Naturalistic Fallacy, which says that something is acceptable because it is natural. Even if someone claims to be born a certain way, that doesn't give him the right to act out on his impulses. Would it be okay for a rapist to assault women simply because that is how he was born? Should a kleptomaniac use that argument?

[GodCreatesGays2]

@formerevolutionist intones, "Those who claim to be rational and educated and claim that sin is okay are neither rational nor educated, but rather irrational and indoctrinated."

But of course, it's irrational and absurd to label as 'sin" that which is inherently benign and natural, and can neither be chosen nor changed. That's why so many indoctrinated religious zealots will always remain irrational and hopelessly ignorant of reality.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@formerevolutionist claims, "We, as a society, have folkways and mores. When someone violates those, he or she is chastised by the group."

Sure, when slaves demanded freedom, women refused to be treated as chattel, and Jews balked at being seen as subhuman, the majority chastised them too. The trouble is, the society doing the chastising was in the wrong then, just as it is now with the gay issue. Time will prove it to be so, as it did in the case of other gratuitously oppressed minorities.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@formerevolutionist claims, "Morality has little to do with the intellect."

Those who lack the latter often claim so.

"Do not equate sodomy with skin color or dexterity."

I'm not. I'm rightfully comparing one innate component of a person's being (homosexuality) with others (skin color and dexterity). Sodomy is a chosen act, which can be committed by anyone of any sexual orientation or race.

"Would it be okay if I equated incest with skin color?"

No, but it would be intellectually dishonest.