Gordon H. Clark, On Sanctification, "Can We Say Lordship Salvation" Part 1 of 2
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@Blogrich55
1. I agree.
2. I agree, but what does it mean to believe in Him? See John 8:30-44 to see children of Satan believing in Jesus.
3. I know Clark was lost based upon the gospel he preached. Are antichrists also lost? How do you know? Have you got a peep stone in your hat like Joe Smith, or did you check the book of life out of God's library?
rofyle 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 The gospel is not about sufficient saving propositions. The gospel is about the correct saving propositions. You say Arminianism is a "dishonoring travesty of the truth". Do you believe God glorifies His name through travesties of truth?
Time and again in the gospel of John, John introduces us to people of whom he says, "they believed in Him." In almost instance however, these same people are shown to be of the non-elect. For instance, 8:30-44. I suggest you read it.
rofyle 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 The truncated gospel? Oh my. Armi's believe they had at least in part entered into salvation by their own free will. They deny God's sovereignty in salvation. They do not believe the truth of the atonement, they do not believe men are saved only by the gracious imputation of Christ's righteousness, and they most certainly do not believe God only imputes that righteousness to His elect. That is not a truncated gospel. That is a false gospel.
rofyle 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 You're not very good at reading comments, are you? I never said the thief wasn't saved. I said Clark was wrong to assume the thief had no notion of the atonement. People who have no notion of the atonement are not saved. Clark tries to argue that they are.
rofyle 1 year ago
@1689Baptist No, I am not saying the thief was not saved. I am saying Clark is wrong to say the thief had no notion of the atonement. People who have no notion of the atonement are not saved. Clark tries to argue they are.
rofyle 1 year ago
@rofyle Of course the thief was saved!
1. He could NOT have believed in Jesus without the Father drawing him. John 6:44
2. Jesus said "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:25-26 He did believe!
3. How do YOU know Clark was lost? Have you got a "peep stone" in your hat like Joe Smith? Or did you check the Book of life out of God's library.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@rofyle I agree with Clark on this! There enough propositions of the gospel to be saved in the truncated gospel the Arminian preaches. It is like a starving child in Africa who are so emaciated they are practically bones. YET they are alive! Compared with a chubby, healthy, baby that is well nourished and running about, they seem virtually "dead" but are NOT. Arminianism is an anemic, God dishonoring travesty of the truth BUT contains sufficient saving propositions. Clark is right!
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@rofyle Are you saying the thief was not saved?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist I gave the quote earlier, but I will do so again.
From Clark's book, Faith and Saving Faith, pg 1, "The thief on the cross said, 'Lord, remember me;' and Jesus replied, 'Today thou shalt be with me in paradise.' After a life of crime, this thief received assurance of heaven. He could hardly have known much about Jesus. He had no notion of saving faith, let alone of the Trinity, the Atonement, or the second advent. Yet, on the authority of Jesus, we know that he was saved"
rofyle 1 year ago
It is impossible for one to be saved in Arminianism. I know the opposite has become popular among some Calvinists, but that's because they're lost too. ONE CANNOT BE SAVED BY A FALSE GOSPEL. You have not yet been brought to professed you believed a lie.
The gospel is the fact Christ satisfied the law on behalf of His elect. He perfectly obeyed it, and He satisfied the death it required. As such, the law now demands the salvation of His elect. Arminians do not believe this.
rofyle 1 year ago