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[MrAzi14]

forget loud "zikar" wich 1 will u bang , the one in the RED is mine

[DANNYBFD1]

@a2ssm Wedothings which we think Allah will be happy with us as i have proven Loud zikr is one of them.

Rasoolallah sallalao walahi wasalam used toread tarawee alone. The sahabee saw them reading this and made this congragational for a few days, rasoolallah said don't read this in congragational i don't want to make this fard on you so they read it individually. Now in Umars time he saw people reading it alone and made it congragational is this wrong????

No becse he did it 4 the sake of Allah

[DANNYBFD1]

We do things which we think Allah will be happy with us as i have proven Loud zikr is one of them.

Rasoolallah sallalao walahi wasalam used to read tarawee alone. The sahabee saw them reading this and made this congragational for a few days, rasoolallah said don't read this in congragational i don't want to make this fard on you so they read it individually. Now in Umars time he saw people reading it alone and made it congragational is this wrong????

No because he did it for the sake of Allah

[DANNYBFD1]

@a2ssm Abu Darda (R.A.) narrated that Rasool Allah (Sallallao alahi wasalam) said,

“Should I not tell you of such things which are the best and purest deeds in the court of your Lord, high in ranks (darajat), better for you then spending gold and silver (in Allah’s path), and better than slaying the neck of the enemy during war?

The Sahaba said, “Yes, Oh Rasool Allah! .”

He (Sallalao alahi wasalam) said, “It is Zikr of Allah.” (Tirmizi)

[DANNYBFD1]

Proofs from Deobandi school of thought

Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi writes: "Allama Ramli writes in Fatawa Khairia that there are Ahadith which demand loud Zikr, for example, If My servant remembers me in an assembly, I will remember him in an assembly better than his". (Imdaadul Fatawa, Vol. 4, pg. 44)

[DANNYBFD1]

@a2ssm Further proofs . . . In Sahih Muslim, it is reported from Abdullah Ibn Zubair (radi Allahu anhu): "When the beloved Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) uttered the Salutation at the end of his Salaah, he used to say LA ILAHA ILLALLAHO WAHDA HU LA SHARIKA LAHU aloud" (Mishkaat, pg. 88)

[DANNYBFD1]

@a2ssm You still haven't gave me no proof ! You can't say anything without proof therefore i will gave you proof

'Who is more unjust than he who prevents the Name of Allah from being mentioned in the Mosques of Allah?" (Surah Baqarah:114)

[a2ssm]

The difference is ones an innovation and the other is not. And the prophet (pbuh) warned us about innovations saying all innovations in religion are misguidance and will lead us astray and to the hellfire. So why are we so eager to try new things when we can stick to what we know to be 100% correct?

[a2ssm]

@DANNYBFD1 basic principle in islam is all forms of worship is prohibited unless there is proof from quran and authentic hadith for its permisibility. If that was not the case then all sorts of new things would creep up in this perfect religion. For example the 2 sunnah for fajr are very rewarding. And reading in jamat is also 27 times more reward. So can we start to read the sunnah prayer in fajr in jammat? No! Because that was not the way of the prophet (pbuh) and the companions. Simple!

[DANNYBFD1]

@a2ssm You tell me whats wrong with it and why its wrong to do it?