M1A2 ABRAMS VS LEOPARD 2A6
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@doktorbimmer: Hahaha! You didn't even knew that the Abrams doesn't use Dorchester, you aren't an Insider mate.
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@SuperGeronimo999 I'm not the one that can't get his facts straight, you obviously have no idea what your talking about! The XM1 was built by Chrysler Defense before the M1 program was taken over by General Dynamics.. neither company provided any major design work, some of the later work was sub-contract to Krauss Maffei in Germany. The M1 Abrams is a German tank built in the U.S.
You wouldn't know the difference between alumina and silicon carbide even if stuck it up your ass.
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@doktorbimmer: You just have proven that you are a dumbass. The XM1 was designed by General Dynamics, and the XM1 was even better as the Leopard 2AV. And the M1 doesn't use Dorchester, it uses improved Chobham.
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@himmelsfaust: The Leopard II uses short DM53 & want to buy israeli LAHAT. The Abrams uses the more powerful M829A3 & can use the US MRM-CE. Which Countries use Leopard 2A6? Greece. Canada rented them, the Netherlands sold them, Portugal uses 40 Leopard 2A6, and Spain also use them. 16 Countries? How many Leopard II were exported? Nearly 2000? How many Abrams were exported? 2700. Also Saudi Arabia wants to buy 60, and Egypt even 500 more.
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@SuperGeronimo999 What do you call a less expensive version made by someone else? a cheap copy!
The prototype for the M1 Abrams was the MBT-70/ XM803 DESIGNED BY KRAUSS MAFFEI IN GERMANY
THE M1 ABRAMS IS NOT A U.S. DESIGNED TANK
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@SuperGeronimo999 No Dumbass The M1A2 uses Dorchester Armour
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@doktorbimmer: The M256 isn't a cheap copy, its made by Watervliet Arsenal. Also the Abrams uses the better FCS, more advanced optics & laser-range finder as the Leo II. But as you said, the Abrams is cheaper as the Leopard II, and this is good. The M1 was never designed by KMW. And the new XM360 Cannon is far superior to L/55 120mm & 140mm, and its made in the US aswell.
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@doktorbimmer: Bullshit, the latest M1A2's still use Chobham, improved with depleted Uranium.
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@ToAstYNaChO Wrong! the M256 is a cheap copy of the L/44, it is built in the US under license from Rheinmetall. The US version is not balanced like the L/44 and uses a cheaper spring based recoil system.
In fact the whole tank is a cheap copy of the Leopard 2 for that matter, the M1 originally designed in Germany by Krauss Maffei during the MBT-70 and XM803 program and later was simply a name change to XM1
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@kovona When we sell tanks such as the M1A1 we take out things that could give them the edge if we ever potentially engaged in combat, such as the Depleted uranium mesh in the armor.
The 2A6 is much better than the M1A2
MrLeovdmeer 1 week ago 31
@kovona Yes, they are almost the same tank.
The Leopard 2 has never used Chobham armour and its own ceramic composite armour package actually predates the introduction of Chobham.
The latest versions of the M1 Abram no longer use Chobham, it is obsolete now.
All the NATO MBTs M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 weigh the same as per NATO STANAG
doktorbimmer 1 week ago 5