Richard Dawkins: Why the universe seems so strange

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[Joao Rijo]

dude, I already said "I give up, you seem to be too much set in your believe to change your mind anytime soon" but even after that I still DID answered your questions, it's not my fault that you're too stupid/ignorant to understand that what I wrote contained my answers to your oversimplified and barely relevant to the issue questions.

good luck, have fun.

[theawecabinet]

"..I'm all for ending tyranny of any kind.."

Great :)

You give many reasons why tyranny/ government (same thing) will never end. But you fail to connect the fact that gov is an illusion, a fraud, a cult & it does not even exist in reality. The ONLY thing which exists is PEOPLE interacting.

Society ALREADY rejects murder, coercion, theft etc but gov trains us to give the PEOPLE in government a 'magical' exemption from our own universal moral rules.

Understanding is the key

watch?v=ddq8FwIfw7w

[theawecabinet]

"...if they didn't go they'd be convicted as traitors..."

By who? By Hitler himself?

No, by ordinary good people who had been tragically indoctrinated from birth to believe the state & its rulers had AUTOMATIC authority & legitimacy. This was achieved (and still is all around the world) by gov FORCING their 'Prussian Schooling' onto everyone

watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo

WITHOUT this indoctrination, Hitler/ Bush/ Blair would all have been (correctly) identified as terrorists & dealt with accordingly :)

[theawecabinet]

Why won't you answer basic Y/N questions?

You say war is natural and just part of being human, I say it is artificially created (as a kind of business model) by governments AND those able to use gov's legalised right to initiate force for their selfish agendas - such as banks, military corporations etc.

Without a system of FORCED taxation, FORCED national debt & FORCED money printing HOW could any war (WW1, 2, Iraq etc) be funded? (By either US, UK, Germany etc)

Please answer the question :)

[Joao Rijo]

...(2) the lack of right to secession at all levels of governmental organization, the lack of trustable media, but still most importantly I think is the lack of transparency and accountability in gov. This is in democracies/republics.

in clearly authoritarian regimes it's pretty obvious what people want most. elections, free speech, etc.

anyway, like I said, it's a complex issue, with billions of humans involved so it's a big lengthy process liberation, or the opposite...

allthebest

[Joao Rijo]

... human civilization here, and not surprisingly it's a very complex thing. there are so many forces at work...

I'll just leave it with this:

I'm all for ending tyranny of any kind, but if the vast majority of people want to have gov. and taxes, it doesn't seem like the best way to go about ending tyranny is by telling people that we shouldn't have gov and taxes. there is plenty that contributes to tyranny that people already don't want, not enough transparency, accountability in gov.,...

[Joao Rijo]

in the 2nd case probably not, but you seem to forget that the gov. exists cause people let it. most people support the existence of gov and tax. what the problem is, is that 1st there is tyranny in gov even in democratic ones as long as people are not free to abdicate their citizenry and claim their own sovereignty, 2nd there are powerfull people that use the gov to further their own personal selfish agendas (which include gaining power, so it's a snowball effect).

we're talking about human...

[Joao Rijo]

IDK why you quoted that and then asked those 2 questions, they don't seem to be related enough.

anyway in the 1st, germans going to war wasn't voluntary, if they didn't go they'd be convicted as traitors and either gone to concentration camps or shot on the spot. and that was the case similarly for all countries up until after the WW2. the fact that you don't know this rises big doubts of the validity of the rest of your arguments. so they wouldn't have gone to war if not for the gov.

[theawecabinet]

Yes anyone with control over schools & the media can indoctrinate society & manipulate base emotions & drives of a population. But that is not war. That is just racism.

War require you to turn society into a hierarchy (a religious cult) where the indoctrinated masses place automatic, unthinking obedience to their rulers (the god of government) ABOVE their own basic morality (ie it's wrong to murder & steal).

1. you get them paying taxes & pledging allegiance

2. you stir up fear/ racism

3. war

[theawecabinet]

"...Technology merely increases destructive power, in lieu of it, ppl would fight with swords and bows like they always did...."

And what would happen in this case? They'd become exhausted, they'd get bored, they'd lose their jobs, they'd begin to starve, it would start raining, they'd get cold & demoralised, they'd soon go back home and start looking for a job.

This is the natural way of things. Violence is NOT productive UNLESS you can create a hierarchy, and get them to pay/fight for you.