Philosophy Blog: FREE WILL

Put on your thinking cap, King Arthur. We are going to deal with one of my favorite topics, Free Will vs. Determisim vs. Fatalism.

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• freewill
• indeterminism
• predestination
• calvin
• philosopher
• destiny
• god
• fate

[vidsofgargator]

Determinism is nihilism. According to determinism you cannot blaim anyone for anything they do because it is predetermined by its causality. How can you punish someone for a "crime" if their environment and/or genetics lead them to do it.

[burnvictim77]

How can you blame someone for blaming someone? You see how your silly criticism quickly becomes an infinite regress, because you aren't considering the actual nature of morality, why it evolved, etc.

[vidsofgargator]

I am not a Determinist! I do believe I can blame someone for something they did. Determinists would rationally label everyone innocent because it was a cause that affected them to do what they did. Both credit and blame are based on the presumption that one chose and thus is held accountable for his/her actions. If someone put a gun to my head and wanted my wallet I could pull out my gun and shoot his ass! Dying is not an issue for me, dying slowly is; the latter is potentially avoidable.

[burnvictim77]

Vids, I realize that you don't have much patience for those who disagree with you, but I'll attempt to indulge you for a moment.

If you make the claim, a determinist cannot blame others -- then you are applying faulty logic. Because if a determinist believes that no one can be blamed, then he himself cannot be blamed for punishing.

However, very few determinists hold the position that determinism changes morality.

[burnvictim77]

If you are interested, we can discuss concepts of morality that do not require a lack of determinism.

[vidsofgargator]

Ok. But what were the concepts of morality that DID require determinism again? Choice? A circular arguement of its allusion?

[burnvictim77]

Causal determinism is a question of metaphysics, not ethics.

[DurandalDharma]

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[suggesttwo]

common sense give him the money. the decision we make shape our lives. for example if you have sex b4 mariage you coudl have children that you will never see. God will forgive you for your sins if you repent but you still have to deal with the concequences.

[chefshitpiece]

@vidsofgargator Dont look at it so much as punishing someone. Look at it more in terms of avoidance of the harm they will do. If I see a huge birdshit heading right toward my head, obviously Im going to whip out the old ACME umbrella. But that doesnt mean I blame the birdshit. Like us, its only doing whats in its nature: to fall in accordance with gravity after the bird drops it out its ass!

[Bensonians]

Nice video man

[aparneomai]

Predestination in the Bible is not fatalism. You have to be conforming to the image of Christ to be predestinated and this takes work on your part.

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[aparneomai]

There is Gods will and self will. Matt 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

2 Pet 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

[aparneomai]

By the fact you make reference to Gods will I think it need be stated that the word translated predestinate in the Rom 8:29 is the greek word proorizo. It is a construction of pro meaning before and orizo which is the same as the english word horizon and according to the scriptures it means to be bound in the light. Not everyone is bound beforehand for the light. God didn't give his LAW to all of the world before Christ likewise he doesn't now. There are 2 kinds of will in the scripture.

[runoutman]

I can predict the movement of billiard balls off the top of my head

[CplDrew]

@ozzygp11, I think ozzy gp has the right sort of idea, i personally belive determisim is the more likely theory, tho i can not say for sure. it is more likely, genetics and the environment a child is raised in, determine not only the perception of good and evil, but the choice the child would more likely choose. for example your idea of good and evil will most likely vary alot from another person with a different background. good and evil are after all, a meer point of view shared by a no of ppl

[ozzygp11]

the reason that person turns to evil is because of factors throughout his life that he does not control. like his family for example. If as a child he is brought up by parents who steel he might grow up to steel but it is up to him what he decides to do. it is not that he is week but the decisions he makes. and some people are mentally ill can not help to be evil