Mark Driscoll is Evil

Pastor Mark Driscoll explains how none of us are good people and how God feels about that. For the complete message and many others please visit www.marshillchurch.org

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[tweedon1]

@XBlurzX I still wouldn't call them enlightened. Anyone in the three categories you mention that goes to the church for help, knows what they are looking for. Again, these people aren't intelligent people, they are ex-addicts, ex-gangsters, and prostitutes that need to be told how to think and feel about life. That's pretty much what religion consists of... people who are either too lazy, too scared or too uneducated to figure out life on their own and still be a good person.

[roac7777]

@scatteringpoems Additional: Our moral zeitgeist changes as we become more compassionate and liberal in our thinking. This is due to secular law and thinking.If religion in the free west was all powerful as it used to be we would still be killing homosexuals, punishing people severely for adultery, killing people who worked on Sundays, imprisoning people for blasphemy and committing many other atrocities, such as they do in Islamic countries where that religion has power.

[roac7777]

@scatteringpoems May I recommend "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins. This excellent book describes how evolution works. Morality simply means good human behaviour. We know it is not good to rape,murder & steal because, going back to early man, we would not survive and over the last 150,000 years we have finely tuned our moral standpoint. 200 years ago and more, we thought slavery was ok.

[roac7777]

@scatteringpoems Morality comes from our evolutionary genetic makeup. Early HOmo Sapiens lived in groups and in order to survive the many perils of nature around them, they learned to help each other. This is mainly why they survived. We now help strangers in distress because it is a kind of evolutionary backfiring. The urge to do good is as strong as our urges for sex. Our lust gene is the strongest urge we have. It has to be otherwise the human race would become extinct without it.

[XBlurzX]

@tweedon1 Hmmm, I think many would disagree with the opinion that, "people aren't becoming enlightened." I know a lot of people are leaving the church, because they aren't enlightened (at the same time though, many of these churches do not truly preach about Jesus, but the give a list of do's and don'ts: which does not = Jesus in any way), and at the same time: prostitutes, ex-gangsters, ex-addicts, etc.. say they are enlightened b/c they now have TRUE life and are radically changed.

[tweedon1]

He's doing exactly what Christianity has been doing for centuries. Convincing people they are horrible, evil people and the only salvation is Christ. What an easy, thoughtless, spoon-fed way to reflect on your life. People aren't becoming enlightened, they are being told how to think and feel. It's a magic show and no one seems to care how the tricks are done. Once you know the tricks, it loses it's glamor.

[scatteringpoems]

@roac7777 'You have a god' - do not presume to assume that just because I criticise your arguments, I therefore support the other point of view.

And what you have come up now with is a completely different argument, and one worth thinking about (why God lets evil happen, not why God 'waited thousands of years' to send Jesus), so I'm glad you listened to me :)

So, where does morality come from? What is morality? Does it exist? What does it mean, if it's meaning is not based on 'religion'?

[roac7777]

@scatteringpoems Of course it matters. You have a god who is supposed to be the wisest being ever and yet he is either remarkably lazy & inept or a sadist. Why allow the holocaust, the genocide of 3 million Cambodians by Poi Pot, the 25 million Russians who were starved to death by Stalin etc etc. Why should human beings ask forgiveness to a god that made us the way we are in the first place. This celestial dictator does not even exist. We are moral despite any god & religion.

[BeauG92]

This man is by far the most egotistical, arrogant preacher I've ever seen. He says good people doing bad things is a myth...he says we are what we do, it's effectively black and white and therefore we deserve to be hated by God (who, er, kind of created us in the first place, but that's another issue).

Driscoll, go take a walk in a psychiatric ward and see how many depressed, anxious, schizophrenic, and generally ill-minded people have committed evil acts unwillingly.

[flmbstn]

at 00:12 he says "Doo doo". Just sayin...