Gay Marriage: The Me-Centered Family

This is "equality"?

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[thecommercialedge]

Ratings have been disabled because you know very well you're in the minority with your lies. Family is not just about gender, you silly fool.

What's reality is you're obsessed with something you don't understand, so you come online to vent your ignorance. Luckily you're 50 years too late because equality these days includes black people AND the GLBT community -- because obviously we deserve equality, and we're getting it.

Sincerely, a gay and legally married man :-)

[vicorii]

@thecommercialedge You might be granted the legal benefits of marriage -

But passing a law requiring people to ooh and ahh at the Emperor's clothes doesn't make him any less naked.

Some things are inherent. Michael Jackson could bleach his skin and fix his nose, but he never stopped being black.

Marriage is not just friendship. It is not just enjoying your sex partner. It is something more. You can have a relationship with your lover, but no judge can make it be what marriage is.

[SaruCharmed]

@vicorii That man's marriage isn't just some kind of costume. Michael Jackson being black is a genetic, biological fact. A marriage is defined by law. YOU are not the definer of marriage. Therefore, it is not up to you to say what is and isn't marriage. True, it is up to the people. But you are only one person. Where he is, the people said that two men can marry and he did. Marriage is not defined by religion either in this country.

[vicorii]

@SaruCharmed Pretending that a gay relationship is the same as a conjugal one is a lie.

Forcing people to play along with a lie doesn't make it any more true.

The two relationships are different in kind in significant, relevant ways.

Civil rights is based on truth, not on forcing people to lie to indulge narcissistic fantasies and denial.

Plus, trying to be what one is not is inherently buffoonish.

You're lovers. Nothing more. Deal with it.

[beneathdatrees0]

Why would ANYBODY want to be married - let alone gays?

[jwwindsor]

Take an enema. You're full of shit.

[thecommercialedge]

@SaruCharmed thank you for bringing honesty to this conversation. Kerikali doesn't seem to understand how laws and rights/benefits work in our modern society.

[thecommercialedge]

@Kerikali No, I don't believe that being in the majority makes something proper. If that were the case 100% of the time, I wouldn't be married to my husband right now. Neither would black people being able to marry white people 50 years ago.

I'm married to another man and there's nothing you can do about it, whether you're in the majority or the minority. The government has already deemed our marriage to be legal and valid.

[SaruCharmed]

@Kerikali It doesn't mean whatever you want it to either. See, we have this thing called a democracy. That means that people vote for their own laws in this country. In some places, enough people have voted that two men or two women should be able to get married, so they do. That is a marriage no matter what you say it is. You're the one in denial if you keep insisting that doesn't count just because one person, you, says it does.

[Kerikali]

@thecommercialedge Your comment makes no sense.

Do you believe that being in the majority makes you "right"?

Because the majority has consistently held that marriage is...well, marriage.

The idea that marriage means nothing more than any two or more people who say they "love" each other is a minority viewpoint, not a majority one.

[Kerikali]

@SaruCharmed If you assume marriage means whatever you want it to, then I guess any two or more people who want to call themselves married can do so.

But reality is what it is. Conjugal relationships are different in kind, and no amount of wishing and pretending can change reality.

Why do gays fear the truth, anyway? What would it hurt them to admit that they love Joe but that Sandy, not Joe, is their child's mother? Denial at this level is pathological!

[SaruCharmed]

@vicorii I'd love for you to tell me what in what "significant, relevant" ways a same-sex marriage is different than an opposite-sex marriage, besides the obvious about their gender. I'd also like you to tell me what makes it "a lie" that people agree with that man who got married. Why are they narcissistic and why are they fantasies? How are they what they are not? You haven't given me any reasons or facts to support your claim.