Podcast 25/01/09 Sexism

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[HCPinGviini]

I think that those "typical man" and "typical woman" traits are actually those traits which are tought to us by our parents as self-efficient facts on how a man or a woman should act.

As I don't have any brothers, only sisters, I can't relate to some who have experienced in their childhood how their parents have tought their girls and boys differently. But I guess I was brought up like an androgyn as I spent so much time with my father who tought me like how to fix a clock or something.......

[kazuyasays]

Yeah, I think that does account for a lot of things - as well as just how people expect boys/girls to be, in general, and I think a majority try to line up to expectations and fit in with what other boys/girls are doing.

[HCPinGviini]

Yeah. I actually tried it myself once, without even realising it. As in my teen years (about 13-15) I tried to act and look like the most girls did in my school at that time.

Now I just live kind of a androgyn life and have heard of being a masculine kind of woman, but wouldn't say that either. I would rather be without any gender as in the eyes of the most common people gender seems to mean some things that are said to be typical for that specific gender. And that's not what I want.

[kazuyasays]

Yeah I have had people tell me I am a typical male, and also people tell me I am a softie / girlie. But people have all kinds of aspects to them, it's not possible to stereotype people like that really.

[mattcolt]

girls in the army dont do the same tests. they have to do 21 push ups in a minute and 30 sit ups

[kazuyasays]

Yeah, in order to get it to fit 10 minutes, we had to cut some of the conversation. We had discussed how some armies have altered their approach to women - that women can be in the army now in some countries, but they have different requirements as you say. But it only makes sense for a person to be in the army, if they can actually do what is necessary, so everyone should have the same test - men and women, definitely. If they are passing an easier test, it's meaningless

[BestialxInfantry]

damn i talk about all the same shit you guys do hahahahaha!

[HCPinGviini]

I made this Finnish test about typical sexual features and got myself 24point "female points" and 36 "male points" and it says that I'm androgyn with slighty dominant male-features.

And still I don't feel any dick in my pants.

[HCPinGviini]

Aww, I feel for you. :(

I for one try to say, if my friends start to talk like "women do that" or "men do that" that it isn't all that black and white and sometimes they just laugh at me and all that.

I guess it's just that people do realise that those stereotypes aren't real but STILL can't get past those "(wo)men always do this and that and never ever do it"-phrases even though they know they're wrong saying that.

[HCPinGviini]

And I was also tough by my mother things like how to cook, do my own laundry etc.

But I never liked some things my mother tried to get me into. Like shopping. Oh god, how I hate shopping...

So now it seems so odd for me to be with people, who enjoy shopping. And when people start to talk about clothes or other subjects that I find less interesting or important to talk about (clothes, make-up etc.) I just find it boring and stupid. So I tend to stick with those, who think more like me.

[robvalue]

Also I'd add that I am sexist against my own gender too, in that generally I think all men are bell-ends and I'm ashamed to be one of them. Of course there are exceptions which prove the rule, or something.

[robvalue]

I hate it how everyone always generalises!

Haha old favourite of mine.

Great podcast gave me a good laughs, thanks!

It's well known that women have generally less aptitude to 3D visualisation etc. But a shot to the head will probably kill them anyway.