@RationalEnquirer In the Greek there is only one possibility (((Grace, saved, and faith))) are all the gift. Just b/c we are saved THROUGH faith does not mean that the faith we are saved THROUGH is not also a gift.
God is all knowing, and knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, he even knows who will be written in the book of life and who won't. This doesn't mean we don't have free will, its just that God is not caught in the frame of time that we are. He has seen everything; but, knowing everything, isn't the same as making us puppets.
He knows the thoughts we'll have tomorrow, our next step, our next sin. However, knowing this, he still lets us walk free.
@gracetruthguy Are you starting that nonsense again? "God knows only the knowable," It is impossible for to ensure anything in the future without knowing/decreeing the future, there are to many variables that could change the future that God could not possibly know. A leaf blowing could have caused David not to be born. What happens when one of these variables mess things up for God, does He rewind the world real quick to fix it, and we just don't know about it?
God knows only the knowable,. The future known by Him is all the knowable future including that which He has planned and therefroe ensures comes about. But that is nto everythign that happens.
Either we are free agents to the limits that exist or we are not free agents at all.
It is in the areas of freedom that God does not know the outcome. Just as He is also free to make new decisions. so we are free within limits.
@gracetruthguy - God really would, but the condition stand on Saul's reaction to God's law. God chose Saul to be king, he must have know if Saul will obey or not. Or God dont know the future? God knew that Christ will be killed and how would be killed in details, so he must have also knew that Saul will not obey. But if Saul WOULD obey than God WOULD set up the kingdom. Roman
To gracetruthguy,-1Sam13;13- Hello, If I have a son and he is going to school, i have put him my self on this path to learn,but he is not too smart, he has bad discipline in teaching himself, and i know ,that his ability is not good enough to become the professor at a university, i could anyway tell him that if he would get to the university and be a professor, i would stand behind him and give him all of my money to support him. -Continue...
hey gret video , what is the debate he mentions at the begining?
Scottles293 7 months ago
@RationalEnquirer In the Greek there is only one possibility (((Grace, saved, and faith))) are all the gift. Just b/c we are saved THROUGH faith does not mean that the faith we are saved THROUGH is not also a gift.
1689Baptist 7 months ago
Hi Patiricia,
You're free to believe that.
I don't because I cannot read that in my bible.
Have a look at my video on 1 Samuel 13:13 and you will see why the bible shows us there is a range of things unknown to God until they occur.
The God you're describing is of Greek origin and not of the bible.
gracetruthguy 1 year ago
@gracetruthguy
God is all knowing, and knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, he even knows who will be written in the book of life and who won't. This doesn't mean we don't have free will, its just that God is not caught in the frame of time that we are. He has seen everything; but, knowing everything, isn't the same as making us puppets.
He knows the thoughts we'll have tomorrow, our next step, our next sin. However, knowing this, he still lets us walk free.
Myhopeisinhim 1 year ago
Hi 1689Baptist,
I am responding to a comment made to me.
God in the bible reveals Himself to us as He is, not as per the doctrine that Augustine began in the 5th centrury.
God tests to know is clear in Scripture "that He might know all that was in his heart" 2 Chronicles 32:31
God either would have established Saul's kingdom over Israel forever or He would not?
1 Samuel 13:13
The Scriputre says He would have.
Calvinism (Augustine dogma) says O no, He woudn't!
gracetruthguy 1 year ago
@gracetruthguy Are you starting that nonsense again? "God knows only the knowable," It is impossible for to ensure anything in the future without knowing/decreeing the future, there are to many variables that could change the future that God could not possibly know. A leaf blowing could have caused David not to be born. What happens when one of these variables mess things up for God, does He rewind the world real quick to fix it, and we just don't know about it?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
Hi roman959,
God knows only the knowable,. The future known by Him is all the knowable future including that which He has planned and therefroe ensures comes about. But that is nto everythign that happens.
Either we are free agents to the limits that exist or we are not free agents at all.
It is in the areas of freedom that God does not know the outcome. Just as He is also free to make new decisions. so we are free within limits.
God "would have" means that He did not know...
gracetruthguy 1 year ago
@gracetruthguy - God really would, but the condition stand on Saul's reaction to God's law. God chose Saul to be king, he must have know if Saul will obey or not. Or God dont know the future? God knew that Christ will be killed and how would be killed in details, so he must have also knew that Saul will not obey. But if Saul WOULD obey than God WOULD set up the kingdom. Roman
roman959 1 year ago
Hi roman959,
God says in 1 Samuel 13:13 "He would have" if He knew He would not, then He would not have.
gracetruthguy 1 year ago
To gracetruthguy,-1Sam13;13- Hello, If I have a son and he is going to school, i have put him my self on this path to learn,but he is not too smart, he has bad discipline in teaching himself, and i know ,that his ability is not good enough to become the professor at a university, i could anyway tell him that if he would get to the university and be a professor, i would stand behind him and give him all of my money to support him. -Continue...
roman959 1 year ago