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@gazamused Thanks for the comment gazamused. "Agree to disagree" only came up after exhaustive conversation with BornAgainRN and I realised he was beyond reason and certainly beyond rational conversation on You Tube! I didn't mean to infer that religion should be left alone! I think we need to keep trying to educate believers as best we can and hopefully prevent some of the barbaric practices carried out around the world in the name of religious indoctrination!
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@boc1953 The only point in your comment i disagree with is "agree to disagree" We should not allow them to force there fairy tails on us! Excellent comment otherwise! Thumbs up.
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@BornAgainRN That is the whole reason why I reject gods! The total lack of any evidence that can be shown to be conclusive! I'm a rational person. I can't help that! That's how god made me....
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@BornAgainRN (cont) unlike scripture, which has done nothing to advance mankind or anything else since it first surfaced. Religion is fossilised philosophy. As for the body of Jesus...who knows? If it happened at all, it was a couple of thousand years ago and the story was not told for decades afterward! Chinese whispers and all that...I guess we just have to agree to disagree, but I see no evidence of any gods and why should it be your god? What if you meet Zeus at heaven's gate?
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@BornAgainRN History, archaeology and eyewitness accounts do not support the bible. There is almost no extra biblical account of Jesus, even though he was supposed to have been such a central figure of the time. Accounts of his ministry were written decades/centuries after his death and changed by all and sundry since then. After we die, I assume our fate is the same as all other living creatures. No big stretch of the imagination there. Science changes because it questions (cont)
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@BornAgainRN If you don't think the concept of gods is man made, where did it come from? In the beginning, man created many gods, then they were reduced to a few main ones and finally the monotheisms arose to say there is only one god. We are getting ever closer to the real round figure! You seem to have it all figured out. The universe is not eternal so god must have done it! That doesn't float my boat. I don't believe science is best at explaining everything but it sure beats god!
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@boc1953 (cont) no offense but if you want to debate, don't be offended, but I won't respond, since my goal is to spread the truth of the hope that lies in anyone who trusts Jesus as their personal Lord & Savior. The fact that you reject the evidence God gives you for His existence is why the Bible says, 'the fool says there is no God'-not for the purpose to insult, but rather to show that atheists who maintain the worldview of scientism despite the evidence is the real delusion-not God
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@boc1953 (cont) based on past exchanges, by now you should have the insight, that nothing is going to change either of our minds about our worldview.The only thing we can agree on, is that one of us is definitely wrong, & since neither of us has died, we can't prove the nonexistence of an afterlife, but Jesus can.As atheists Richard Dawkins & H.G Wells admit to His real existence, the atheist is left to ponder why couldn't the Romans produce His body to disprove resurrection? (cont)
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@boc1953 (cont) keep in mind that the interpretation of science changes. If we had lives hundreds of years ago, you would have considered my observations of the world (a round earth that rotates on an axis, a universe with a beginning, evaporation, etc) to be based on my 'fairy tale' worldview rather than from current scientific theories. This is why notable atheists, like Antony Flew, A.N. Wilson, Matthew Parris, Peter Hitchens, & Lee Strobel abandoned atheism for theism or deism(cont)
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@boc1953 (cont) scientism is self-refuting because there is no scientific test which states that science is best at explaining everything.You leave out history archaeology eyewitness accounts linguistics, etc.CARM & GotQuestions have good articles on the problem with scientism.You also assume to know what happens after we die.Since you haven't died then you can't make the statement 'we will never know.'The only accounts we have of the afterlife is that there is one(cont)



@ambergini100 "I'm not trying to prove anything except for the vast amount of evidence that supports the Bible." Weak, largely irrelevant evidence. Trying to prove EXTREMELY unlikely assertions. & how can ANY evidence really prove something ill-defined, & otherwise untestable? It's obvious the Doctrine replaces testing with explanation, like any comforting myth.
As for your 1st point - Martyrdom (well-documented phenomenon) supports MY point, not yours.
taofist 6 months ago 7
Like some skull-like demon jabbering through bad fitting dentures , MacArthur consistently quotes Scripture out of context, compromising God's Truth for his own greedy, selfish purposes. He is the living embodiment of Matt. 7:15-22.
rickw1100 4 months ago 2