God, the Mafia Boss (redux) [2/2] - The Atheist Experience #607

Part 2/2 of "God, the Mafia Boss" -- the complete version, with improved audio quality. (Skip intro: 1:00)

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This is an edited clip from The Atheist Experience #607 of May 31, 2009 (topic: "live calls"), with Matt Dillahunty, Tracie Harris, and caller John from Melbourne, Florida. This clip replaces the original, shorter version of the "God, the Mafia Boss" video, which is here:
► http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzJxkwUNA4
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[InYourFaceNewYorker]

God sacrificed himself to himself to save the world from himself.

[dutchbb1979]

I do not understand these fundamentalist Christians. To believe in a god is one thing, but to defend all this immoral crap, and then have the guts to ask us atheists where we get our morals, I mean these people are really fucked up.

[SoCalledSpaceAge]

The problem with this caller (and the problem with most theists) is that they are very uncomfortable with the idea of subjective morality. Subjective morality is an offensive concept to many people (mostly theists) and they simply cannot wrap their head around mankind being the arbiter of it's own morality. There HAS to be some sort of fairness or universal judgement that evens everything out. They think this because it is comforting, and that's what this whole discussion boils down to.

[cr4yv3n]

God: "I will make you an offer you cannot refuse" ( through the bible lol )

[Groeneroest]

09:09 I really freaked out when Matt read that one sentence from a letter from this 15-year old. I realized i too get scared of thinking: "What if i'm wrong, what if there IS a God." I'm freaking out because i think i'm indoctrinated when i was a child. Watching these video's from you guys really pull me down to earth, and it feels safe again to be rational. The idea that i am taught to be scared makes me very upset. These video's encourages me to think for myself and be critical. Thanks.

[YY4Me133]

So, what the caller is arguing is, this god is going to punish us for being exactly what it created us to be, and that's okay because might makes right.

[rubinood]

Excellent comparison, Matt :)... And I am amazed that that caller at the end actually freely admitted that he thinks the Mafia boss has the right to break legs. And these are the guys who claim: 'you can't have morality without religion'.

[MrEmeraldfusion]

"How is it any different from a mob boss saying if you do x then y will happen?'' mob boss implies crime and criminals ''sinners'', while God executes judgement upon sin which humans understand exist because they have a conscience. For example "atrocities" You could not say that if there was no sin.

[xipheonj]

I watched this a few times and every time I feel sick. All people need to hear this message and understand how wrong this brainwashing is.

[lasoogneypubes]

@JMUDoc What's even more fucked is that God recognizes that punishing humans for their nature is wrong. If you read the story of noah's ark he pretty much says at the end that he won't do anything like that again because it's just in humanity's nature to be sinful. What the fuck? Then why did he flood the earth in the first place? lol.

[JMUDoc]

"By NATURE we do these things."

Punishing somebody for their nature - about which they can do NOTHING - is ridiculously unfair, as unfair as punishing somebody for being gay or left-handed.

Wait... Xianity DID punish these things, didn't it...

Come to think of it, the concept of Original Sin entails punishment for somebody ELSE'S nature.

"Your grandpa was left-handed, so you're going to jail."

Fractal FAIL.

[JMUDoc]

@manazoa

"... why would you even consider creating a Tree of Knowledge in the first place?!"

The only reason would be to tempt Adam and Eve. There's a word for this in legal circles: entrapment. This case would be thrown out of court.