Science in Islam, Iran and Turkey [Science-Metrix & NewScientist]

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http://nureinwort.blogspot.com In September of 2005, Science Magazine warned that scientific progress in Iran was under threat, after the Iranian fundamentalist Muslim youth drove Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the presidency.

Five years later into the Islamic-inspired government, Science-Metrix and NewScientist reported that "the Islamic Republic of Iran embarked on one of the fastest build-ups of scientific capabilities the world witnessed during the last two decades," adding that "the evidence on growth suggests that this may be the result of Iran's nuclear technology development program." That is to say, that most this progress took place under the flag of the current fundamentalist Muslim youth movement of Iran.

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  • Very inspiring! I almost can't believe that Iran possesses the fastest rate of scientific growth in the world! Certainly not something the media would like people to hear!

  • very interesting!

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  • It is valid for the world to accept the contribution to the development of science and the balance of the political powers worldwide.

  • @Busticate You claim Islam's adaptability stems from irrationality (bizarre paradox you put forward there without a proof), while Islam delivered Iranians from the brutality of our secularism imposed onto them (progress and rationality for you). Corollary is that this reality is such that irrationality is designed to prevail over reason. Your unintended claim is that irrationality is superior to reason. Sad religion you hold. Your concepts of rationality and irrationality might just be mixed up.

  • @Busticate While proclaiming yourself an educator on religious history of Iran, you have shown incompetence in the basics, ignoring that the practice of Ijtihad is reasonably founded and provides precisely for Islam to serve mankind of any epoch and any nation. By name-calling this tradition of development of the Islamic sciences as "irrational" and other unfounded adjectives, you only show your lack of academic rigor, as reasoning and logic stand at the center of the Shia school.

  • @Busticate Your claim that religion has been around for a long while, and that it thus has become very resistant, only shows the power of reason in science, contradicting with your initial claims of its dogmatism. It is natural - and not convenience - that Islam has a solution for the human being of every time and every corner of the world. And the fact that you find the long life span of divine religions a downside to them, just shows your fear to those who have reasoned longer than you have.

  • @Busticate 2) Nobody gets closer to the beauty and complexity of external creation than a scientist, but because the creation is not confined to our perceptive conveniences many of the great scientists who reshaped modern physics themselves wrote vastly about the value of religion as a search for truth, not control, as the pastors of Atheism preach. I'd rather be "controlled" by Islam which teaches me to study the creation, than to be controlled by my ego and refuse to look deeper around me.

  • @Busticate 1) Why is there no association between God and religion? Religion is the sincere quest for the transcendental. Your claim is like saying that there is no association between the scientific method and the reality of the world. Why not? It is a quest with its reasonable premises. You are not even capable to admit to your ignorance of how Islam affected Arabia. Have some sincerity and open mindedness.

  • @germanicus24 - You've made a number of erroneous assumptions. 1st that there is actually an association between god & religion. I fail to see the association! 2nd, you also make the assumption, based on a scientists assertions, that natural sciences are intrinsically atheist. I fail to see this one too. One could argue that no other profession comes closer to creation, its beauty & complexity, or act of creation, than a scientist ever would. Religion, has no other purpose than control.

  • @Busticate It is true that many contemporary pseudo religious cults thrive from doing proselitism on the uneducated, but when you place Islam in the same sack before even having done a proper study of Islamic science and its history, you are violating the very scientific method you claim to subscribe to and you become a mediocre of reason yourself.

    "From the first gulp of the glass of natural sciences (mediocre) comes Atheism, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting" Werner Heisenberg

  • @Busticate Keep studying brother. You would learn that Islam did revolutionize the previously backwards Arabia, and the many calls of the Quran for using our intellects and studying nature and creation along the lines of logic inspired a golden era that many Arabs nowadays feel nostalgic of. If you studied, you would realize how Damascus, Baghdad and Cordoba were bright centers of knowledge, and how the transfer of knowledge from Arabia to Europe ignited in turn our own Western enlightenment.

  • There is no such a thing as Islamic science. Religion is not even catheterized as social science as it can not live with the science element. Reason, its ideas can not change. It is a closed loop system of ideas. It thrives on the most illiterate and poverty stricken sections of the society. If Islam could revolutionize, if would have done so in Arabia where it first emerged. Religion regardless of type is the cemetery of minds.

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