Christian Tissier - Bercy 2008

Démonstration d'aïkido de Christian Tissier, qu'on ne présente plus. Ainsi que ses élèves.

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• christian
• tissier
• aikido
• aïkido
• bercy
• festival
• arts
• martiaux
• 2008

[romain3003]

J'ai fait un stage ce matin avec lui C'etait super intéressant !! A refaire !!

[myristique]

J'en ai fait 3 avant d'arrêter l'aïkido et à chaque fois j'ai été impressionné autant par sa technique que par sa pédagogie. En + il est très accessible (n'a pas du tout la grosse tête) et sait se mettre au niveau de n'importe qui ;)

[Chad01234]

My final point is (and Aikido is not the only system that is guilty of this) in demonstrations - moves are telegraphed. That's how a demo works and I understand that. But as a neophyte student walking off the street - I would want to be educated correctly by hands on application. This is why floor systems are so effective - they get to practice at 100% (other than outright strikes and breaks). Martial arts needs to be built around defense that involves retracting, none telegraphed techniques

[myristique]

It's true that demonstration's techniques are choosen and defined before the demo takes place. I have participated in several demonstrations with my club. Though, good demonstrations are anyway dificult to apply. And most of the time, in a demo, there is always 1 or 2 techniques you make but which were not decided to be made, because when the attack happens, sometimes it's better to do another technique than the one we wanted to do (i don't know if i'm clear)

Meanwhile, I tend to agree with you.

[istilius]

Each technique in Aikido is a "story", means it has a story built in by a series of if-then condition througt Uke and Tori interaction. Techniques are not applicable at all, as you see. These serve only to educate the movement, which is why are just called "Techniques" and not combats.

[Chad01234]

While I should have not been so rude (and for that I apologize), you have to admit, Aikido fans, that while the art looks amazing (and absolutely beautiful), you cannot find one video that demonstrates its effects in a free contact event in Japan, Europe, the USA, etc. And I think that is unfortunately true for a number of arts. When folks put on the gloves (even those very thin ones...), it's just kickboxing, and grappling at the level of the athlete - regardless of the art.

[manos3003]

Furthermore, these videos can be used for educational purposes, where you can observe things that you could not see before and attempt them in practice. Aikido gives you a base of principles and a number of techniques against attacks, but you should do your own research on even more possibilities.

Always friendly,

Manos

[manos3003]

I'm sorry my friend, but I believe you have misunderstood the purpose of this art. I've been studying under direct disciples of Christian Tissier and I can tell you from my experience a few things.

We do not learn Aikido in order to get into a ring and fight, that would defeat the purpose of it being a system of education. It is not competitive, but it can be potentially lethal. We know we can destroy, but we choose to forgive.

[Chad01234]

Don't get me wrong, I think the art looks amazing. It also has a ton of application into other arts. My regret is the way it's presented in these videos - especially in today's greco roman world of competition (i.e., MMA). It saddens me that I hear kids talk about MMA as if that is an art unto itself (and perhaps it is). I have a friend who is 4th black in Kenpo, and getting students is difficult. They all want "mma" training.

[thejohnou]

"You will NEVER see one Aikido man retract his strikes and force his opponent to have to predict technique"

Well, I'm sorry but I practice this way at every aikido class, for example by doing jiu waza. Many uke don't attack sincerly, and that's a real caveat. But don't give up! Investment in aikido will pay, sooner or later.

[Chad01234]

I am sorry you actually believe that. Youtube aikido practices in a small dojo or between two people on a close up video. It's the same telegraphed ballet every time. You will NEVER see one Aikido man retract his strikes and force his opponent to have to predict technique - like I said, it's art, nothing more, nothing less. You will never see it in mixed martial arts or ONE video of this in a real fight. Unfortunately!

[thejohnou]

remember it's a demonstration, people in the audience can be very far. That's why techniques are emphasized to make them visible by everybody.

[aikido223411]

UFC fighting isnt proof that somethings combat effective.Aikido seems to be a target in the comments section mainly by UFC fans.Legalize small joint manipulations, and find a skilled Aikidoa willing to break O Sensei's anti competition beliefs and everyone of the UFC fellas would be flocking to Aikido schools to learn it like they did BJJ.Aikido would dominate UFC under that hypothetical rule change.No small joint manipulation rules for an Aikidoa is the same as telling a boxer no punching!

[Commander13CnC3]

Movements are telegraphed, yes, but the reaction time you build, the pins/movements you learn, and techniques, are all very easily applicable in any street fight.