Gary Habermas on Antony Flew's Move to Deism

Christian Philosopher Gary Habermas is a long-standing friend of one-time atheist philosopher Antony Flew, who announced in 2004 that he had come to believe in the existence of a God. Habermas discusses Flew's change of mind, his openness to considering the Christian revelation claim, and the accusation made by some atheists that Flew's change of mind was a case of an old man being rail-roaded by pressure from Christian believers.

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There is a God.

[Ltaxe1]

@bigl240 what amazes me is atheists 1960s knowledge about physics and biology and they talk like what they are saying is current

[Stianchez]

@Bleumange Of course you can believe in a theory, and the traditional --> Gravity is true but we dont know how it works therefor evolution is true is a very poor way of argueing.

I read your other replies, obviously this will launch into a big scale discussion. If you want to continue we'll have to do this in PM, as limiting ourselves to 500 comments wont do much good.

Fossils dont prove evolution, they contradict evolution. I'll gladly explain why. Let me know if u wanna go on.

[Bleumange]

@Stianchez and finally, I never asked you about science. I asked for evidence about your GOD, not why you turned away from evolution. You can't seem to explain that, but spewing strawmans doesn't seem to tire you. Bigot.

[Bleumange]

@Stianchez Final point. It seems that your current state of ignorance is based on the assumption that what you call "micro evolution" is only valid because it can be observed in real time, while what you call "macro" has never happened in your lifetime. No shit sherlock. We have fossilized evidence. You're pulling a strawman. Other than that, I NEVER brought up the question of science.

[Bleumange]

@Stianchez Now then. From your comment on evolution I can deduce that you can only see a non-existent process (you call micro evolution, evolution has no subsidiaries and there is no difference between what you call micro and macro) in real time. You think that because it happens at a cellular level, it cannot happen at a larger level. But when you think about that, it makes no sense, as if the cells adopt continuous characteristics, then wouldn't their effect on the organism change as well?

[Bleumange]

@Stianchez A theory - by definition - is a thesis that has been and is being constantly proven through research and findings. Thus, you can't "believe" in one. It's practically the same as "believing" in gravity. On the other hand, if in your mind the alternative is something that cannot be recorded through scientific means and are weak minded and depressed enough to consider it, then yes, anything you might encounter is subjective and based on belief.

[Stianchez]

@Bleumange Instead of using personal incredulity how about showing me where I am wrong, I've done research that's the whole reason why I stopped believing in the Evolution theory, the only observable evidence you got is Micro-Evolution and somehow that is suppose to account for everything else.

The sweet irony of this... I actually believed in the theory when I was ignorant...

[Bleumange]

@tomdenman Yes, I was describing your first statement. Nothing i said would apply to your second. I don't understand your position. I can freely criticise claims that enforce a certain dogma upon a demographic, but which are not based on facts, simply crossed-arms special pleading. Stop shifting the burden of proof. If you're trolling, your logic doesnt follow.

[tomdenman]

@Bleumange *sigh* You do realise that WAS my first comment, right? >_> Also, the fact that your describing theists postion as "factless bullshit" is in itself an ignorant and "indefensible" statement which you can't back up without simply stating baseless assertions. Well done sir.

[Bleumange]

@Stianchez if that's your position then there's no real reason to believe that humans are unique. If you're going to be this ignorant about it, just embroil yourself in the subject, do research, be amazed, appreciate the natural world.

[Bleumange]

@tomdenman I couldn't find a better alternative. Your first comment is basically an ad hominem non-sequitur, essentially forcing every weak willed person out there to be obliged to feel a non-existent sense of guilt because you decided that defending an indefensible position which you're only justifying with special pleading while shoving your factless bullshit down our throats was the moral thing to do. Well done, sir.