Chomsky - Perle Debate - Part 13
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@bovall is it possible to get this in text?
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@quabot Any broad-based historical or current-events perspective is necessarily vicarious in nature. One person cannot experience boots on the ground everywhere. The best that researchers can do is to look for documentation from others & verify facts through comparisons between disparate sources, an error-prone process. No alternative for such an ivory-tower method can be used for aggregation & analysis of widely assembled information.
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After losing point after point. Perle reverts to an earlier one that State Dept Records hardly dictate policy and I suppose this is a legitimate argument. He even gains a bit of sympathy when he describes the planning process comprising of people not always with a selfish agenda but prone to mistakes. However policy planners are not ultimately the policy deciders as was so painfully obvious during the Bush Jr Administration
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@quabot Chomsky can 'quote a few articles' !!!! As if that is some small thing. He has the clearest, most insightful mind alive today and I thank the mother that gave birth to him that he can unravel the obvious obfuscation and conscious-deceit/ignorance peddled by Perle and his impious minions.
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economic power elite = more specifically the special interests for JPMorgan/Chase, NMRothschild, ExxonMobil, BP, etc.. In other words, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, their worldwide banking network, corporations and numerous trusts and foundations.
Like Chomsky's work - nothing conspiratorial here, just a bit more detail. ;)
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I love this debate. Perle get whooped worse than anyone I've ever seen. At least Buckley thought he was holding his own.
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Perle is an actual policy maker. It's like when people who have never served in Iraq tell me about what horrible things soldiers are doing there... I was one of them, and I know its not true, even though they sometimes come back and say they SAW horrors there.
Chomsky speaks from the vantage point of an Ivory Tower. He does not know what the boots on the ground are doing.
Chomsky is thus obviously to me the one misinformed.
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How do you guys surmise that I am reluctant to read?
All I said was that I can see through what Chomsky is SAYING HERE.
I am constantly reading the history and policies (especially the military history) of numerous regimes throughout the historical spectrum.
Chomsky can quote a few articles, but he never nails enough details down to make a valid point when he talks about US policy and actions.
I am only judging his speech on THIS video.
I am not judging his writing RIGHT HERE.
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@ quabot
Perle is uninformed and has on numerous occasions throughout this debate stated as much, though only through derisive asides as regards to Prof. Chomsky and his overwhelming knowledge of US foreign policy history.
Chomsky isn't spinning anything, in fact, the vast majority of his source material is declassified US government document. You too could access any of this material, though I understand your commentary already states your reluctance to read.
One more thing. Perle kept scoffing at the 'documents'. The fact is they are part of the public record. State Department, with conent' repeatedly stated', often stressed. Nothing conspiratorial here. Or else a conspiracy so inept as to leave a paper trail. I prefer that reading. Tape was Nixon's undoing, remember. Chomsky has gone to huge trouble to research that mass of material, connect the dots, in a staggering job of scholarship. A conspiracy that scholarship can unearth is a flop.
gotgatGIT54 4 years ago 13
did you see what happened with NAFTA in Mexico?
ALLCAPS5 4 years ago 9