British Victories against the Spanish: Part 3 Seven Years War

Humiliation for the Spanish! numero trois!
Anglo Spanish war 1762.
France begged for Spain to join which it did.
Spanish were humiliated in trying to invade Portugal & lost against Brits (with Portuguese)
Philippines were invaded & taken Manila surrendered & British occupied for near on 2 years
Havana Cuba was taken in the most humiliating defeat the Spanish suffered of the 18th century...

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[LordGeorgeRodney]

''Spain didn't lose WW2 and the Blue Division was a success after all.''

sorry they were withdrawn in WWII and therefore on the losing side...

[paladinee]

@paladinee

Hold on. All im saying is for all those who say they lost is that Franco achived want he wanted and thats a victory to me.

[HerrOttoKranz]

@paladinee For Spain, torn apart after a 3-year civil war, directly joining either the Allies or the Axis would have meant becoming a mere cannon fodder supplier.

Had we joined the Allies the most we could have won would have been Marshall Plan's help. With Germany the defeat could have implied the mutilation of Spain.

Whatever. Spain acted quite honorably during WWII. The volunteers at the Eastern Front never engaged in war crimes, and our diplomats saved thousands of Jews from deportation.

[HerrOttoKranz]

@paladinee Spain -together with a handful of countries like Sweden and Switzerland- managed to keep its independence between 1939 and 1945. The Blue Division wasn't thought to "win WWII", but to pay back Hitler's support to the nationals during our civil war.

Franco had natural sympathies for Germany, with whom we had never been at war, and not for the UK and France, historical enemies of Spain. But he didn't fully commit himself to one party, ensuring a balance which was the best thing for us.

[paladinee]

@HerrOttoKranz

Franco lastest another 30 years, the last of the 3 major facist regimes, who do you think really won?

[LordGeorgeRodney]

@HerrOttoKranz

lol!

Yeah we achieved that

: D

[HerrOttoKranz]

@LordGeorgeRodney Meanwhile, Britain was doing its utmost to keep Spain out of the war -check your fellow Englishman Michael Alpert-. We highly depended upon Allied supplies.

So, to keep the political balance, dodge Hitler's ambitions and not suffer a catastrofic Allied embargo the idea of a volunteer's division came along.

Later on, when Germany started to lose the East Front and the Allies were stronger, it was withdrawn. But that triple objective was accomplished. We had succeeded.

[HerrOttoKranz]

@LordGeorgeRodney At the risk of sounding repetitive, I have to say it again: IT WAS NOT OUR WAR.

Franco would have been delighted with the capitulation of Britain, no doubt about that. But in a Nazi Europe he was as dispensable as anybody else.

So Franco, before fully committing himself, asked for German supplies and African territories. Hitler couldn't give them without irritating Vichy France, something he was in no condition to do. He also thought Spain would be quite a liability.

[HerrOttoKranz]

@LordGeorgeRodney Hehe, I see you are resilient... You must receive dozens of messages every day and you still find time to answer me! You honour me, sir!

Anyway, I must continue to defend my thesis: Spain didn't lose WW2 and the Blue Division was a success after all.

As I explain below, the Division was symbolic. By sending it, Franco satisfied Falangist pro-Nazi warmongers, without originally upsetting the Allies and their supporters in Spain -powerful people like the Duke of Alba.

[LordGeorgeRodney]

@HerrOttoKranz Did I say he Fascist? No!

Original objective?

To pull out in an already lost battle and war? Are you mad?

That like saying the Americans won in Vietnam ..lol!!