I do think you're basically right, though. It's crazy, seeing all these amateurs who have never learned to release fully and freely, talking about "lag" and "holding off" a release they've never learned in the first place. It destroys golf games to think that way. The clubhead passed Hogan's hands, it passed Nicklaus's hands, it passes every great player's hands, usually fractionally after to well after first contact. Shallowness is also critical to first-class striking.
I don't know about "no such thing," since a lot of smart people--including Cochran and Stobbs--have said there is. But it's also true that to the extent that COAM makes you want to slow down your arms to the point of stopping them as force is slung into the clubhead, COAM may not be all good.
@littlebigtrain there is no such thing as conservation of angular momentum in the golf swing. it doesn't exist. i tell you what, you're never going to get any speed dragging the handle with the shaft leaning forward through impact. provided you get onto your lead leg, the angle you develop is released right from the top BUT it should not get completely straight until AFTER the ball. there is no holding anything. all you need is a shallow attack and a bit of forward shaft lean AT impact.
@remmy100 Holding lag is not the end all be all to having plenty of power. There have been many golfers who released it a bit early and have had monster power - Jack, young tiger, and long distance legends mike austin and mike dunaway. There is also a sort of faux-lag that is caught in still shots when players use a ton of axis tilt. Lag something they stress to newbies who do not understand impact.
What we're seeing is the very wide flat spot at the bottom of Noman's swing, which enabled him to keep the clubhead square to the target a long ways, and why he's the greatest driver of the golf ball ever.
@remmy100 because he's a two planer a very slight casting of the club on the downswing is okay, it widens the angle a bit as the two plane swing is inherently steep.
Seems to lose some wrist hinge when club gets to parallel on downswing. And yet he still hits it far. Could the 90 degree wrist hinge at parallel on downswing be slightly overrated?
@dschultz6072
I do think you're basically right, though. It's crazy, seeing all these amateurs who have never learned to release fully and freely, talking about "lag" and "holding off" a release they've never learned in the first place. It destroys golf games to think that way. The clubhead passed Hogan's hands, it passed Nicklaus's hands, it passes every great player's hands, usually fractionally after to well after first contact. Shallowness is also critical to first-class striking.
emncaity 1 month ago
@dschultz6072
I don't know about "no such thing," since a lot of smart people--including Cochran and Stobbs--have said there is. But it's also true that to the extent that COAM makes you want to slow down your arms to the point of stopping them as force is slung into the clubhead, COAM may not be all good.
emncaity 1 month ago
@emomagica
That is so true.
emncaity 1 month ago
@littlebigtrain That's so shit, that's so not true.
TheBitchslapyo 4 months ago
@littlebigtrain there is no such thing as conservation of angular momentum in the golf swing. it doesn't exist. i tell you what, you're never going to get any speed dragging the handle with the shaft leaning forward through impact. provided you get onto your lead leg, the angle you develop is released right from the top BUT it should not get completely straight until AFTER the ball. there is no holding anything. all you need is a shallow attack and a bit of forward shaft lean AT impact.
dschultz6072 5 months ago
Lag is not the end all it is everything. The further ahead at impact your hands are the better.
littlebigtrain 7 months ago
@remmy100 Holding lag is not the end all be all to having plenty of power. There have been many golfers who released it a bit early and have had monster power - Jack, young tiger, and long distance legends mike austin and mike dunaway. There is also a sort of faux-lag that is caught in still shots when players use a ton of axis tilt. Lag something they stress to newbies who do not understand impact.
emomagica 7 months ago
What we're seeing is the very wide flat spot at the bottom of Noman's swing, which enabled him to keep the clubhead square to the target a long ways, and why he's the greatest driver of the golf ball ever.
JCH2768 8 months ago
@remmy100 because he's a two planer a very slight casting of the club on the downswing is okay, it widens the angle a bit as the two plane swing is inherently steep.
silowhore 8 months ago
Seems to lose some wrist hinge when club gets to parallel on downswing. And yet he still hits it far. Could the 90 degree wrist hinge at parallel on downswing be slightly overrated?
remmy100 9 months ago