How The Discovery Institute Could Really 'Challenge Evolution' (v2)

Find an example of an ERV in the same location, in two different species, which is missing from another species widely believed to have descended from the common ancestor of the first two. If common descent is false, there's no reason this should be a problem.

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• Casey
• Luskin
• Discovery
• Institute
• ERV
• genetic
• evidence
• common
• descent
• challenge
• evolution

[NeoSentience1]

false challenge!!!

"give an example of the ERV in 2 different animals that are WIDELY ACCEPTED as not coming from the same gene pool"

impossible task due to circular reasoning

if an ERV is found in 2 animals, then the WIDELY ACCEPTED idea is that they are from the same gene pool

someone who claims to be smart, should have caught this before wasting the time of making the video

"Neuro-Linguistic Programming" is a very useful tool, but some of us can see right through. try again!

[bitbutter]

'false challenge!!!

"give an example of the ERV in 2 different animals that are WIDELY ACCEPTED as not coming from the same gene pool" impossible task due to circular reasoning'

You misheard and/or misunderstood. What you just described is not the challenge I've described. You can find a summary of the challenge in the info box.

[Tumblemark]

Is this a really effective challenge? Maybe in familiar genomes, such as those of diploid animals. But there are many polyploid plant species. IIRC they can speciate by losing genome copies as well as by gaining them. Thus a plant species could have arisen by losing a copy of its genome containing a recombinant viral fragment yet still be in a lineage with others that retain it.

There could also be other living things that lost (by lateral transfer?) sections of genome.

Don't get too smug.

[bitbutter]

Thanks for the information. I hope I don't come across as being smug. I'm learning about this as i go.

So the challenge needs qualifying, limiting it to diploid animals. Do you think that would do it?

[cobol528]

Ironically, if there is ever any evidence found to challenge the theory of evolution it will be found by "evolutionists" not creationists. Creationists do not do real research.

[CreationistVotebot99]

Here's how the Discovery Institute challenges evolution: censorship.

[finderfinder100]

The cool thing is while they are doing this research they most likely will be doing research that would strengthen our understanding of evolution and not at all help their cause

[SqueakerAlpha]

what I personally find more interesting , and I find little info on it, is instinctive behaviors in animals. How do they get created. This seems like a learned behavior being transferred by the dna. Unless there is no instinctive behavior, which seems unsupported by animals like turtles.

[momentofsciencetx]

ID challenges evolution by lying.

[DragonGreenFire]

@cobol528 That's called flusablity. (yes i miss spelled it) The reson creationists fail so badly is how little they understand the concept.

[Ripley747]

Do you even know what NLP is? NLP is a lot more than just the words you choose to use. It involves a host of different things from "anchoring" to "eye axis queues." Accusing him of manipulating you through NLP is like getting run over by a police motor cycle and claiming the US military declared war on you. Or was that a separate statement and you were just saying NLP was useful?

[iamnotloggedon]

nits?

[C0nc0rdance]

I disagree. Systematics is based on many factors. At this point, most animals are classified by a few simple AFLP assays, which don't do any sequencing, and would be insensitive to ERVs.

The only shortcoming of the test is that we don't have full sequence data for all animals yet. At this point, only a few hundred genomes are "completed" meaning all of the genes are sequenced.

My username is c0nc0rdance, which means arriving at the same conclusion by multiple methods. That's the test.