Is John 14:1-3 a rapture passage?
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I don't even eat Post Cereal David Hocking, Post your toast. answer me this posty's when Jesus comes back at the second coming goats are sent to hell right, right. you say the rapture happens post, then who will populate the mil and die and have babies etc. The post people will have their glorious bodies and be raptured just b4 the second coming, there is no one left. Where is the hope in that. To believe in post you have to tear pages of scripture out of the bible to fit what you believe.
MrPsalm141 1 year ago
Wow that's a good point
colonel2007 2 years ago
Jn.14:1-3 is most certainly about the rapture. The problem with dispensational/futurists is that they separate the 2nd Advent from the rapture. But they are inseparable. They are the SAME EVENT, not separate events. Compare with Mt.13:24-30,36-43. The wicked living are SLAIN when Jesus returns. The righteous dead are resurrected and the righteous living are changed. All the redeemed are then raptured, and live in heaven for 1,000 years. Don't fall for these futurist errors.
rkg62976 2 years ago
Yeah, I guess it's possible that the concept of hiding in the mountains first came from the mouth of Jesus in the verses you cite, although I'd note that Jesus alludes to Isaiah's prophecies several times in the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24:22 with Isa 13:12, & Matt 24:29 with Isa 13:10 & Isa 34:4), so He may have been leaning on him again here.
james46888 2 years ago
Fruchtenbaum usually knows the Hebrew better than most.
I think the idea of hiding in the wilderness probably comes from Jesus in the Olivet discourse. Mat 24:16-20
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
I think it's compatible with both. The mountain wilderness acts as a chamber. The word "doors" is obviously not to be taken literally. What really makes my mind up on this one is that Revelation borrows from the OT quite heavily and I think this idea of Israel hiding during the trib must be based on Isa 26, for this is the clearest OT passage dealing with this subject. I don't think John invented this concept on his own but, as per usual, was working from the OT.
james46888 2 years ago
Yes, there were no chapters & verses in the original manuscripts, so it's possible that verse 20 is a continuation of verse 19. But it's equally possible that the reverse is true & v. 20 is a introducing a new thought on Isaiah's part :). I wish I knew more about the Hebrew language so I could say for sure. For what it's worth, scholars like Edward J. Young & Arnold Fruchtenbaum seem to believe that the song of praise in ch. 26 only comprises verses 1-19 & that v. 20 is not part of that song.
james46888 2 years ago
Rev 12 is about hiding in the wilderness. Isaiah says enter your chambers,and shut your doors behind you; Which is much more compatible with the rooms or "mansions" Jesus talks about in John 14.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
For he will hide me in his shelter
in the day of trouble; he will conceal me under the cover of his tent; he will lift me high upon a rock. (Ps 27:5).
Where is Gods shelter, tent or tabernacle?
Perhaps it is the rooms that Jesus promises in John 14 that this video is about?
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago
Maybe so but I think its a hint at the rapture because they are sequential - remember there are no verse numbers or punctuation in the Hebrew so... "the earth will give birth to the dead Come, my people, enter your chambers," is a valid reading.
bigwhammyRocks 2 years ago