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So long as humans remain free-will agents...there will always be disagreements on this topic. Interestingly though (at least from this opinionated Christian) I am observing many scientific discoveries and advances that seem only to bolster a theistic world view.

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[DamnRat]

Science is based, as you said, on observable facts. You are unconvinced by multiverse theory? OK. You are not alone; scientists (and probably atheists) disagree with it. This does not prove theism, nor does it make any atheist a hypocrite. When someone espouses a scientific explanation, they do so because evidence has convinced them, and they are willing to change their position given new evidence (such as evidence of an expanding universe). That is not faith. That is rationality.

[TheEdge012]

The hypocrisy is in concluding that multiverse theory is any better an explanation than mine when both violate the rules of observation.

[4McClain]

I agree and disagree. The multiverse prediction comes out of string theory, which is an attempt by physicists to reconcile quantum theory and general relativity. The problem though is that string theory predicts that if valid there would exist multiple universes. Currently there is no known way to test for the existence of these other universes and hence no basis to accept string theory. The problem then is slightly different than the God question, which is not open to scientific inquiry.

[TheEdge012]

I see what you are saying but to some degree that is splitting hairs. You say that there is no known way to test for the existence of other universes. How is that any different than the God question not being open to scientific inquiry? At this point it seems neither theory has a known way to test it. For me...that puts us in the same boat of faithfully asserting our personal beliefs.

[TheEdge012]

Thanks for the kind words and for watching. I had hoped that this video would get a bit more circulation than it has. And no...I have not been reading Craig although I am familiar with several of his debates.

[DamnRat]

@TheEdge012

Furthermore, any honest scientist (note I say scientist, not atheist. "Atheists" as a whole are not responsible for any theory of origin) will answer your questions about the likelihood of a multi-verse generator would probably just say that s/he does not know. Once you come to the more accuate viewpoint that atheists in general do not "believe" in any scientific theory the way theists believe in god, you can see how your claim that atheists are hypocrites just doesn't apply.

[DamnRat]

@TheEdge012

Multiverse theory does not violate the rules of observation, it comes from observation. It is better than "god did it" (which I assume is what you mean by your explanation) because it is not concrete. That is to say, if evidence comes along that contradicts the principles of multiverse theory, it will be dismissed (much like the theory that the universe is static/eternal). When someone says that god did it, they claim that there is definitely a god and it definitely did "it."

[4McClain]

Basically scientists can only look for effects of another universe on our own based on what string theory predicts, if they find it then it leads to more research. Point is that the existence of another universe is open to scientific inquiry where God existing outside of time and space is not. My own view though is that faith in God and scientific discovery are not incompatible.

[godswordsheal]

This is great! I've tried to tell atheist this exact point but I could never express it as good as this video! Wonderful! Great defense.

[brainouty]

Really good, Edge! Fav'd!

[alamo11]

very interesting edge. i never really realised it, but being bound to science is being bound to thinking"inside the box"