Bruxy analyzing "facts" in Zeitgeist (Part 3)

Pastor Bruxy Cavey from "The Meeting House" looks into "facts" presented in the Internet movie Zeitgeist.

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[TraumaConcept]

Actually qwelton, he didn't say that at all. He said that's what Jesus and his followers were doing...was the Passover meal. Not that similiar meals were not done in other cultures...but THAT is what Jesus and the disciples were doing.

[Spattay]

@TraumaConcept Thanks for your comments :), you make very good points.

[dcubanod]

had to stop watching after a minute..cause how is he gonna try to de-bunk anything??..with the fucking bible!! that thing has been translated over and over again for how ever kings and rulers thought it should be not to mention old school bible bangers themselves..ever play the game phone? when you whipser to someone and they pass it on, then at the end the original message is completely wrong..now times that by about a couiple thousand years and i give you your GOD-DAMN bible.. =)

[Spattay]

first off, this is part 3, so please start watching at part 1.

As for the Bible there has been plenty of transmission but we have very old copies which nullifies your argument. For example, there is a documented piece of the book of John that goes within 29 years of the first copy.

There are 5700 ancient manuscripts of the New Testament, second place for this field is the Ilyiad and it has only 600 manuscripts. The new testament is well accounted for.

[SokaDajar]

Yep that's what I'm saying. God may be good. Religion though is a completely different thing. There is no God in a text book. God is all around us in the water we drink and in the air we are breathing. And both are poisoned but religion doesn't give a damn about it. Instead they are building fortresses like Vatican and Mount Athos to protect their false cause and leave people at their ignorance by promising false messiahs.

[Spattay]

I agree it's not about a textbook, or building fortresses. Jesus was opposed to this system as well. The God of the Bible is one based on relationships with each of us, and offering us a way out of this mess to eternal salvation. Because we can't earn our own salvation, we have too much crap in the way. Jesus took all the blame we deserve himself, and died in our place. If you read the New Testament I think you'll see this :).

[ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR]

@Spattay Ok, I see your point but I disgree because in my experience people are good to each other because they are nice, kind people who want to live in a decent world, not because they are scared into being good by the threat of damnation hanging over them, this implies they would do bad things otherwise. This suggests that being good is an effort & not natural. I never had a particular faith but I've still always had good morals, I just knew it was wrong to hurt people & right to be kind.

[Wafflepudding]

@Spattay Because if you are courteous and listen to other people, it is more likely they will be courteous and listen to you in kind, which is objectively demonstrable.

[ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR]

@friendscanada You cannot territorialize God with your religion. You cannot put God in a box. I have my connection with God and am not a Christian. God does not belong to one religious group or another. God is there for everyone and can be reached through many avenues. Trying to restrict contact with God to one faith is a sin, you cannot contain God in such a way. How dare you even try.

[GalinorGustave]

While I can't defend Zeitgeist presentation I can point out that the evidence for Jesus's supposed resurrection, miracles, & origins are sketchy & at second hand at best. I like how Christopher Hitchens put it best.

"Which is more probable, a resurrection? Or that I'm under a misapprehension."

If you believe something because someone said "I saw it I swear." The you may as well put on sign on that says "Provide a witness who claims it's true & I'll believe anything!"

[sheppeyscum]

What would Christians do without thier faith? What would this guy do without his faith? Zeitgeist is received by many because religion, Christianity is taught without the encouragment of questioning.....Where are the primary souces of evidence? Why do so many people base their whole morale life on a 'story' that is without sufficiant evidence? Why do people accept so much...but then reject a film like Zeitgeist? Just like many ignore the points made about 9 11.....

THis guy is no authority.

[qwelton]

too much to comment on. but the best is where he says the idea of a communal meal was established by the passover as if people didn't get together to share a meal (albeit spiritual one) until the passover happened.

[rdoscan]

into English. By the time James I succeeded as monarch of England, Church authorities felt there were too many Bibles around; they produced a new 'official' version. This may not apply if you regularly read an original latin Bible, in latin from the period of Christ, but most around the world do not.

[rdoscan]

It gives me hope that humanity is innately, and I hope one day cognizantly, a life-oriented species. I guess in this way I call myself a "life-ist" Humans like categories and labels for things! lol. I recently took a huge interest in language development & linguistics. I started reading a book on the origins of English. Coincidently to this conversation I came across this fact. A few years following 1525, the time of William Tyndale, the Bible had been translated & re-translated several times