FreedomFest 2007 The BIG Debate 5of7 Rebuttal Abraha & Casey

The BIG Debate: U.S. Foreign Policy and the War in Iraq

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eA1NWiwMQ
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ze98wCHJII
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaXOTpk7BCw
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC-ZxzYneOQ
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOZgXhgF5A
Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqTrhrF86o
Part 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2rKQ6vyzYA

Libertarians Ron Paul & Doug Casey vs. Conservatives Larry Abraham & Dinesh D'Souza

A summary of the points made during the rebuttal:

Larry Abraham

* Who started this conflict? Perhaps it was at the Battle of Tours, a hangover from the Battle of La Ponto, or the British and the French screwing up the Arabs at the end of WWI. Who knows, but 911 was much more than a criminal act.
* We didn't start it.
* Have you ever been hated and wanted dead just for who you are? Every Jew in Israel knows that feeling. Everyday there's someone over there thinking, "how can we kill those people, they deserve to die, they're worse than pigs." That hatred is not only directed at Israel but also the American people.
* Doug has a lot of contempt for this country, but the U.S. is not deserving of contempt. We've made mistakes, sure. But it's not conservatives who are responsible for those mistakes.
* I have a son in the Marine Corp. Does that make me a fool? Does that make my sons just worthless battle cannon fodder? I don't think so.
* If Doug is right and this country is as contemptuous as he says it is, then this debate is a prelude to chaos, confusion, and genocide.

Doug Casey

* I've got no problem with Israel or the Jews, I just don't want a dog in that fight.
* The state of Israel stole the land that now makes up it's borders from the residents that previously lived there.
* Before the creation of the state of Israel the Muslims and Christians living in the middle east didn't hate the Jews and they all got along fine.
* It's the creation of a state that's the problem where the people who are not controlling the state are disenfranchised.
* It's a big problem, but it's not our problem to solve, they have to work it out for themselves.
* Larry said I have contempt for the country. No! I said I have contempt for the government.
* If you want to kill someone badly enough, you should do it yourself, not get control of a government to do it for you and force others to pay for that action.


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[cytuber]

If I hear one more jew say people hate jews because of who they are and not what they do, I will join the next anti-semetic group.

Jews are hated because of what their leaders have done and what they are doing now - hijacking the media, finance and political system of the U.S., acting like Nazis to the Palestinians and STILL playing the perpetual victim.

[daveho77]

I agree with you.  We need to understand that the people of Israel are being mislead by their leaders just like how us Americans are being misled by ours. But it's a complete cop out to spin any criticism of Israeli politics to a debate about nationalism or anti-semitism.

[turborewind]

911=Inside job

[alistairproductions]

What does he mean by "country" . All I see are individuals....

[labrusca10]

"I don't know who started it, that's irrelevant." Later...."we didn't start it." Which is it, Mr. Abrahams?

"Doug has an immense amount of contempt for this country." Straw man. Pathetic.

[karl31000]

Damn.... both of these men are immensely opinionated.

[italstal07]

@thomaserossi the us would be doing the right thing by attacking israel..then the zionists will show their true colors by unleashing the sampson option...

[italstal07]

@OutlawTomFantastic they need to reopen the USS LIBERTY MASSACRE..

[cytuber]

@italstal07 Yes, I agree. I should have put the term "anti-Semitic" in quotation marks to indicate that it's the term the white-skinned, Eastern European/Khazars use on their critics even though they, themselves, have no ancestral links to the Middle East. and no more claim on the term "Semitic:" than they do on Palestinian land.

Lie after lie after lie.

One day soon, the Zionist lies will come undone and we shall see a REAL holocaust..

[italstal07]

@cytuber its the palestinians who are semitic...being against evil zionists is not anti-semitc..it's natural..and also 9-11 was an inside job...domestic terrorists..

[italstal07]

@cytuber its the palestinians who are semitic...being against evil zionists is not anti-semitc..it's natural..

[alistairproductions]

That first speaker is full of shit