Thundereligion

This is just my response to views of Thunderf00t on the subject of the "atheist community".

A big thank you to HonestDiscussioner for helping me with my mental block on this subject.
http://www.youtube.com/user/HonestDiscussioner

Atheist Agenda by TogetherForPeace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_c0Jxb8ig4&feature=channel_video_title

My response to TogetherForPeace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujknCo3jroY&feature=watch_response

TheThinkingAtheist interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIfB-EGjqyU&annotation_id=annotation_93565...

The Art of War by Sun Tzu
http://suntzusaid.com/

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I've had to point out this conversation too many times so I'm putting it here so you don't have to go looking for it.
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I think Thunderf00t may have been thinking more about infighting in terms of literally fighting and insulting each other and photoshopping people into pornography. We certainly want less of that. But we also want more debate, not more homogeneity and blind sheep followers.
lIThorIl 1 month ago

@lIThorIl I actually just responded to a PM along those very lines and I agree with you that that's probably a small part of what Thunderf00t is attempting to say and if that was all that was being said I'd completely agree with you. However the fact that he blames Coughlan specifically for creating the divide while saying that we shouldn't criticize "each-other" brings the truth of the matter into VERY sharp relief. Coughlan's videos to Thunderf00t are not empty name calling nor was Coughlan responsible for the "porn pasting" directly or indirectly. They have substance and instead of either admitting his mistake, ignoring the porn stuff and/or defending his views to generate the heat that forces change, Thunderf00t has declared himself to be above such matters. And, he's now openly dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him as (more or less) a rebel in a civil war.

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[BenitoraSan]

I kinda agree/disagree.

I don't think atheists should join under the banner of "Atheism", but rather Science.

The true danger of religion is halt of technological advancement given by science.

I am all for a united front against Creationism and Intelligent Design, I am however not for a united front against Religion in general.

People should be allowed to believe whatever they want, for as long as their ideals don't hurt humans, scientific advancement and especially medical science.

[themanofearth]

@BenitoraSan See I would say/argue that religion - by it's very nature - hinders advancement and harms human beings simply because it relies on the supernatural (i.e. the unprovable and therefore unquestionable "truth").

[BenitoraSan]

@themanofearth

I want humans to move past the foolishness of shouting nonsense at each other, trying to twist facts and history for their own benefit of belief.

But I don't think that can be achieved by "Going to war" against religion.

Continue teaching the facts, continue to show people how foolish the Creationists/Intelligent Design people are, for as well religious fanatics, and maybe the world will be like Scandinavia, a place where your personal faith does not change facts.

My 2 cents.

[BenitoraSan]

@themanofearth

To elaborate further on my points, religion is and will always be a danger to scientific advancements due to religious ethics (IE, Stem cell research).

But how can you remove that without being all "warlike" about it.

It seem wholly aggressive don't you think?

Maybe just me being optimistic and unrealistic in thinking like this, but as things are looking now, it seems like Religion will become a non-issue in the foreseeable future, meaning not destroyed, just no longer a issue.

[BenitoraSan]

@themanofearth

Probably. But it's hard to say: All Religion should be removed.

It's not a realistic future for humans. As long as different cultures exist, some kind of religion will exist.

If you want to remove religion, you will most likely have to unite humans under one banner.

That in itself is today impossible. Not saying it will impossible in the future, but as of now, I don't see it happening.

It's a hard subject to discuss after all. I am not sure on how to balance it out.

[Figaera69]

@themanofearth More over, this goes beyond personal choice. Once you've reached a point in your education where critical thinking is ubiquitous in your thought process and you've applied it to your beliefs, you fall under the banner. Now, I think naming anyone a general is silly. What we have is outspoken atheists and quiet ones. But if we want to make rationalist thinking the rule and not the exception in this society we must be organized. Chaos doesn't generally effect change.

[Figaera69]

@themanofearth I have to start by saying that I'm not familiar with the whole dispute or division in the atheistic community. However, I'd like to point out that atheism by itself is not the real threat to religion. Anyone with a loud voice can denounce anything, including god. More than that it's rationalist thinking that really poses a threat and a community standing united under that premise is more a philosophical movement than a religion.

[integralmath]

@themanofearth: I am sorry to point this out as it will, no doubt, simply confirm in your mind that you've bested my intellect (after all, pointing out that you've not met your burden means I don't understand somehow or another), but nothing you've said here meets the three necessary conditions earlier raised. Saying that you've failed to meet that burden is something you translate into my not understanding. Or it could mean the features you delineate fail to be sufficient to the task.

[themanofearth]

@integralmath Continuation... "They have substance and instead of either admitting his mistake, ignoring the porn stuff and/or defending his views to generate the heat that forces change, Thunderf00t has declared himself to be above such matters. And, he's now openly dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him as (more or less) a rebel in a civil war." And you don't understand the point?

[themanofearth]

@integralmath Wtf are you talking about? You read, "...he (Thunderf00t) blames Coughlan specifically for creating the divide while saying that we shouldn't criticize "each-other" brings the truth of the matter into VERY sharp relief. Coughlan's videos to Thunderf00t are not empty name calling nor was Coughlan responsible for the "porn pasting" directly or indirectly." (continued...)