Foreign Meddling is Good!

Without "meddling" complex systems will naturally become non-linear and chaotic very quickly. To prevent chaos in complex systems such as in international politics, constant micromanagement of the system is required. And this is good -unless of course one wants all hell to break loose.

Liberal internationalists and isolationists don't understand this however. Liberal internationalists trust everything to international consensus, which is just as unpredictable and chaotic as international politics would be without consensus. Isolationists likewise get it wrong also but for a different reason. Though not choosing chaos outright, they do not understand that a country as big and powerful as ours naturally needs to be involved in foriegn affairs just because of what it is.

The two schools of thought that get it right however are realism and neoconservativism (or robust internationalism). Thus when thinking about foreign policy at the voting booth, always remember to vote for a realist or a robust internationalist. They are the only two that truly understand foreign policy.

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[mrzipdisk]

Meddling is just an easy way to help a small group of corporations. You're theory suggests that this is "good." Wheres the empirical evidence?

[JohananRaatz]

@mrzipdisk See the thing is that those corporations are what provide cheap goods over here. Thus even though we as random people are a third party it benefits us indirectly if they are not stolen from. It's not an accident that larger countries or civilizations throughout history that had a greater degree of influence in the world also had a higher standard of living for their citizens.

[mrzipdisk]

@mrzipdisk Also define "cheap gas." Corporations, big Oil corps, would want to maximize profits, expanding their supply wouldn't mean cheaper gas prices, it would just mean that they get more revenue. Sorry for the sporadic posts.

[mrzipdisk]

I guess cheap goods is a value judgment. I guess my main gripe, and the main support for my view that our history of meddling has yielded less than optimal results is more of the way we meddled than just meddling being bad in general. Overthrowing popular leaders leads to blowback, dictatorships, mistrust where cooperation probably would have been better for the long run. I guess if all you cared about was cheap gas you'd be in favor of this, I can't say I agree with that.

[mrzipdisk]

@mrzipdisk *that it CAN't organize

[mrzipdisk]

@JohananRaatz Also just because its a "complex system" doesn't mean that it organize itself to some degree as to avoid complete and utter chaos, a la Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.

[EgadsNo]

Order is not mutually dependent with good will. You want a political constant? Injustice will incite change- and corruption will fight it. People in your own State are willing to destroy your way of life for personal profit, how much harder do you think it is to stop when its federal and in another country? Maybe if we fix our system we can rely on it to do well for others.

If you do not respect science- you cannot be a scientist.

If you do not respect the people- you can be a politician.

[JohananRaatz]

@jooljetkmae No that's not true. I do think the Egyptians should have democracy. I just don't want it to be a one time vote for the Muslim Brotherhood -which will end up going badly for both them, our allies, and us. I like what they are doing, I just hope nothing rash happens.

[JohananRaatz]

@jooljetkmae Well I'm actually not opposed to what's going on in Egypt. I just think it should be done with caution so that the Muslim Brotherhood does not get in and replace Mubarak with a much worse regime.

[JohananRaatz]

@jooljetkmae Yes, as is consistent with my interests. That is the nature of the entire game though.