Fallacies are people too.

Responding to Laci's video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4q3a-nd2pQ

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[GwydionMapDon]

This video --> face palm. Not only did you entirely miss the point but your deconstruction of very real fallacies was frankly ridiculous.

Fallacies speak to the validity of a specific argument, not the truth value of the conclusion and not the pragmatic value of MAKING that argument (which is a concern of rhetoric, not logic).

You seem to be equivocating rhetoric with logic or at least asserting that the former takes precedence over the latter, or should. I call bullshit.

[jeffsmithluedke]

Since these aren't logical fallacies, focusing on rhetoric is perfectly reasonable.

[CousinoMacul]

1. in re non sequitor:

Aren't all fallacies some subspecies of non sequitor?

2. The Azrienoch Fallacy:

It is fallacious to "call fallacy" as a form of argument (and Az will call you on it whenever you do!)

[EPlTOME]

i wonder if she actually watched this atrocity of a video.

[roflwaffle12321]

SOOO LONG

[tonymacaronivlog]

You sound just like ADAM SANDLER the first 24 seconds of the video

[JohnnyAlpha8]

Are you a fucking jew?

[angel972007]

Are you my professor? your voice sounds so familiar.

[thegrimmreeper]

Great video with well made points but I have a question.

Wouldn't it have been simpler to make a video suggesting that the her use of the word "fallacy" was incorrect in the context she was using it and that she should consult a dictionary for a different word?

[GwydionMapDon]

You seem to be saying that fallacies have great value in communication. Some fallacies can be useful in a strictly rhetorical sense but fallacies actually break down communication. If you are trying to convince someone of something that is useful for them to realize and use a fallacy in doing so, your argument will ring hollow, especially under scrutiny (like when your conclusion is not desired). So, if you argue 'go to sleep or you will eventually become a bum,' the kid will just roll his eyes.

[GwydionMapDon]

The only reason to focus on rhetoric is if all you are concerned about is convincing an audience (often one not versed in logic) and often regardless of the truth value of your conclusion.

Calling someone out on a fallacy CAN be very useful in rhetorical pursuits, *depending on audience.*

"...these aren't logical fallacies..."

Yes they are in a very real sense. How are you defining "logical fallacies?" Rhetorical and logical fallacies are not mutually exclusive.