@malikzzzzz Pharaoh, Esau,Judas,Ahab, Jezebel, Ananias,Goliath, ect. are all goats just to name a few, who were used by God for a specific purpose on Earth,but were fitted to destruction from before time ever began.
@malikzzzzz All scripture is for the benefit of God's elect.There are 3 kind of people at any given time,there are regenerate sheep,unregenerate sheep and goats.God,with perfect knowledge,created the goats to never have a chance for salvation,they were created or fitted to destruction from before time.We as humans have no idea who they are,they have no idea who they are,that's why we are to preach to all.God's word is only advantageous for His elect,it's designed to reprobate the goats.Is.55:11
The man reading Hebrews ten must read verse 14. If verse 14 is true, then if Christ died for everyone, everyone would be saved. Since not all are saved, Christ did not die for everyone.
Everything is predestined, but we also have free will to choose to obey God or not. Saying predestination takes away our free will would be limiting God's power.
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us REASON TOGETHER, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If YE BE WILLING and OBEDIENT, ye shall eat the good of the land:
God also draws those and iit goes into depth to say God sees the heart
@Dunnization This passage says nothing of ability or freeness, etc. The only thing it says is that if you do X, they Y will happen. It is merely expressing a causal relationship to choices that are made. You mis-defined the word "predestine" with example of your kid. There are no failures of intent with predestinating it.
You said "you MADE them responsible, they are now drawn" if an individual is drawn, they WILL come to him, NOT MIGHT, NOT IF THEY CHOOSE, NOT IF WE DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB AT PRESENTING THE GOSPEL John 6: 44-45
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I WILL raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' EVERYONE WHO has heard and learned from the Father comes to me--
@Dunnization It is true anyone who believes will be saved, but none will believe unless God converts them first. You have the order reversed. Dead people, in their transgressions, cannot come to repentance and faith. The rest of what you said is true, but you are lacing it with irrelevant assumption that man has a free will and somehow initiates salvation by cooperative efforts with God, which is very unbiblical.
judged for either choice. Of course none seek after God but everyone who hears you preach walking down what is it promenade street are now responsible for what they are going to do with Jesus Christ. You MADE them responsible, they are now drawn and so now Jesus could say ''whoever'' and that now implies them. Like I said how many people know about Jesus Christ? My Goodness everyone almost. Anyone can accept or reject God's mercy it's not undeniable.
It doesn't have to speak to why a person does it, Jesus says in John 5:24 that WHOEVER believes on his word and he who sent him WILL have everlasting life. That doesn't mean that everyone will believe and that is obvious. None seek after God, in our society how many people have been drawn to God? Think about it, almost everyone who is anyone knows about Jesus Christ so at that point they are responsible for what they do with him. Wether it be they accept or reject him they will be
@1tmoch "The reason you do not believe is because you are not my sheep"! All this after a lengthy explanation of Jesus giving his life for the sheep. Not the reverse of "not my sheep b/c of not believing." Some are goats remember? Matthew 1:21: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save HIS people from their sins.”
Matthew 20:28: “Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for MANY.”
@malikzzzzz Pharaoh, Esau,Judas,Ahab, Jezebel, Ananias,Goliath, ect. are all goats just to name a few, who were used by God for a specific purpose on Earth,but were fitted to destruction from before time ever began.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@malikzzzzz All scripture is for the benefit of God's elect.There are 3 kind of people at any given time,there are regenerate sheep,unregenerate sheep and goats.God,with perfect knowledge,created the goats to never have a chance for salvation,they were created or fitted to destruction from before time.We as humans have no idea who they are,they have no idea who they are,that's why we are to preach to all.God's word is only advantageous for His elect,it's designed to reprobate the goats.Is.55:11
CBALLEN 1 month ago
The man reading Hebrews ten must read verse 14. If verse 14 is true, then if Christ died for everyone, everyone would be saved. Since not all are saved, Christ did not die for everyone.
blakodeel 1 month ago
Everything is predestined, but we also have free will to choose to obey God or not. Saying predestination takes away our free will would be limiting God's power.
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us REASON TOGETHER, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If YE BE WILLING and OBEDIENT, ye shall eat the good of the land:
God also draws those and iit goes into depth to say God sees the heart
malikzzzzz 5 months ago
@Dunnization This passage says nothing of ability or freeness, etc. The only thing it says is that if you do X, they Y will happen. It is merely expressing a causal relationship to choices that are made. You mis-defined the word "predestine" with example of your kid. There are no failures of intent with predestinating it.
1tmoch 11 months ago
@dunnization
You said "you MADE them responsible, they are now drawn" if an individual is drawn, they WILL come to him, NOT MIGHT, NOT IF THEY CHOOSE, NOT IF WE DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB AT PRESENTING THE GOSPEL John 6: 44-45
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I WILL raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' EVERYONE WHO has heard and learned from the Father comes to me--
samuelb7873 11 months ago
@Dunnization It is true anyone who believes will be saved, but none will believe unless God converts them first. You have the order reversed. Dead people, in their transgressions, cannot come to repentance and faith. The rest of what you said is true, but you are lacing it with irrelevant assumption that man has a free will and somehow initiates salvation by cooperative efforts with God, which is very unbiblical.
1tmoch 11 months ago
@1tmoch
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judged for either choice. Of course none seek after God but everyone who hears you preach walking down what is it promenade street are now responsible for what they are going to do with Jesus Christ. You MADE them responsible, they are now drawn and so now Jesus could say ''whoever'' and that now implies them. Like I said how many people know about Jesus Christ? My Goodness everyone almost. Anyone can accept or reject God's mercy it's not undeniable.
Dunnization 11 months ago
@1tmoch
It doesn't have to speak to why a person does it, Jesus says in John 5:24 that WHOEVER believes on his word and he who sent him WILL have everlasting life. That doesn't mean that everyone will believe and that is obvious. None seek after God, in our society how many people have been drawn to God? Think about it, almost everyone who is anyone knows about Jesus Christ so at that point they are responsible for what they do with him. Wether it be they accept or reject him they will be
Dunnization 11 months ago
@1tmoch "The reason you do not believe is because you are not my sheep"! All this after a lengthy explanation of Jesus giving his life for the sheep. Not the reverse of "not my sheep b/c of not believing." Some are goats remember? Matthew 1:21: “She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save HIS people from their sins.”
Matthew 20:28: “Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for MANY.”
1tmoch 11 months ago