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  • whoa epic conversation

  • @Ariana321 Another bell of alarm. Our TV broancast a piece of debates between the canditates for US presidency. Ric Santorum called for the US Government to sanction killing of our nuclear physics scientist. This is tantamount to the worst moments of Cold War. If such actions are ever carried out, it can be counted as an agression.

  • @Ariana321 ---> and "by their own laws and traditions", and "no one will tell us what to do and how to live". And this understanding, I'm afraid, includes strict adherence to the tenets of Islam, rule of Shariah and some more truditions that Northern Civilisation (Western and Russian both) conciders barbaric. The example? Lybia. Tunisia. Egypt is headed that way. Before that? Palestina and HAMAS. And the more pressure is applied on Iran, the more its population consolidates in support of Islam.

  • @Ariana321 Absolutely agree with you about the rise of patiriotism in case of invasion. This is a general notion, so it must be expected in Iran, too. I also concur, that people of Iran oppose Arabs. But Persians are Shiite muslims, so their rivalry and animosity with Arab Sunnites never meant and I doubt will ever mean they want to be any less islamic then they are now. The main problem with Iran is that they want to be free, yes, but under "free" they mean "independent" --->

  • @Parkangw Most of them just want to live in a free, secular society, rather than an oppressive, sharia based Islamic one. Though, unless their leaders rig the voting again, there won't be a violent revolution. But given how "reasonable" Islamic leaders tend to be, we can probably expect one. Though once it ends, I don't think we'll have anything to fear from them.

    Both Iraq and Libya were big mistakes though... Libya just established itself as a Sharia regime, after all of that struggle. *Sigh*

  • @Parkangw Exactly, that's one of the key reasons neither NATO or Israel, or anyone for that matter, should be going into an -open- war with them. It'll just destabilize the place, and turn it into just that, a festering Islamist hellhole, since the people will just end up wanting to defend their homeland. Persians don't like foreign invaders, hell most of the country is trying to push the Arabs and Islamists out entirely, as they see -them- as foreigners who have taken over their nation! -->

  • @Ariana321 <-- required for building nukes, but they can make radioative materials. Too close to our southern borders, just a small Caspian Sea away. Modern Iran is insolent and loud-mouthed, but otherwise civilized. Another "flower" or "arabic" revolution _there_? Such possibility is downright scary.

  • @Ariana321 Sorry, we still need Putin for ourselves. Russia is still a real mess in many aspects. But nice to hear such words about our leader. You have no idea how great was our shame for that drunkard Eltsin.

    Well, if Iran manages a coup to remove Ahmadinejad, but the country stays under tight control - it's more or less fine. What we fear is the repeat of Iraq or Lybia-like war that turns Iran in a festering rabidly islamist hellhole. There is no proof yet that Iran has the technology --->

  • @Parkangw dealt with, but not by us. I already know Russia has placed sanctions on them, same with China!

    Israel and the "Green / Democracy Movement" in Iran should be the ones handling that issue, and with very recent events, I think Israel has already started. Much of Iran's missile stores are being covertly destroyed, and there is a nasty virus in their nuclear program. And the green movement will do away with their lunatic leader... no reason for either of us to get involved or go to war.

  • @Parkangw There is a similar sense of a threat here as well. Comments made by leaders on both sides have made people uneasy. Its sad too, I was just a little girl when the Cold War ended, but it looks like its trying to find its way back.

    Though, I can swear that we aren't going to attack Russia first. It would be foolish to do so even with our higher numbers! History has proven the Russian motherland impregnable to any invader no matter how strong.

    Really, the issue of Iran needs to be -->

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