No Principles At Censorship Debate

Free speech for some, and not for others, is not free speech at all. Principles are beliefs you stick to even in the face of difficulty.

Response to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_by_association

I am very surprised that Pat Condell, of all people, would rely on the offensiveness of a display as the crux of his argument.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• freedom
• of
• speech
• islam
• muslim
• mosque

[ZeroToOneee]

Wow, didn't think you would try to cheap yourself out of this but you did.

Just go's to show that some people defend freedom of speech even if it hurts freedom of speech.

You are like this non-violent guy who isn't even using violence if somebody harms you or somebody you like.

The guilt is on Islam so they need to make a case FOR freedom of speech,

i don't need to make a case against them, they do that perfectly on there own.

[IAmTheScum13]

@ZeroToOneee

"I don't need to demonstrate anything to validate my view..."

And that is the sound of an argument being lost. If you are unable or unwilling to justify the claims you make, then you leave no reason for anyone to believe you.

Better luck next time.

[ZeroToOneee]

I don't need to demonstrate anything to validate my view point because I'm not the one preaching about the same religion which motivated people to fly planes into several buildings. Islam is the Religion with the guilt and should be treated as such. Islam as a Religion in it's current form deserves no respect and no freedom of speech. If a "group" arises which moves away from them we can talk about it again. If they cower under the same roof as the terror groups it's there own fault.

[IAmTheScum13]

@ZeroToOneee

There is no such thing as an over-arching institution of Islam. Any attempt you make at comparing Muslims to Nazis (nice show, by the way), therefore fails miserably.

Even if there was one giant "Church of Islam," you would still need to demonstrate that any given individual has absolutely no disagreement with the institution. There is a Catholic Church, but much the congregation disagrees with the decisions and teachings of the hierarchy.

[ZeroToOneee]

@IAmTheScum13 i wounder if you would call a Jew a bigot because he thinks nazi's are bad people. there is proof that Islam as a whole is against freedom of speech just like Christianity. (although i have to admit there are no Jesus terror groups besides child molesting priests). The statement of some Islam leaders that Islam is a pro freedom of speech Religion ect. doesn't make it true. they support there extremist basis and smooth talk the "west".

[IAmTheScum13]

@ZeroToOneee

I'm sorry, but the simple declaration that all Muslims hate freedom of speech does not prove your case. If you cannot demonstrate to me how the builders of this mosque have opposed this idea, then you have no argument.

One of the reasons I made this video was to explore the possibility that there was more to the opposition than an emotional argument. So far, you are demonstrating that anti-Muslim bigotry is the primary motivating factor.

[ZeroToOneee]

@IAmTheScum13 i don't even have to tap into that area.

Islam is like a broken cup because firstly, it's a religion and therefore wrong.

but mostly because Islam as a whole is offensive to everyone who holds dearly holds on to they idea of freedom of speech.

like a broken cup, you can fix it glue it back together but it will always be damaged no matter what. to regain respect and show true will Islam would have to move away in the public as a whole from everything that motivates extremists.

[IAmTheScum13]

@ZeroToOneee

Please explain to me how the mosque-builders are not playing by that rule without committing the guilt by association fallacy. I dare you.

[ZeroToOneee]

@IAmTheScum13 freedom of speech is the rule and Islam as a whole is not playing by that rule.

[IAmTheScum13]

@lookit87

My point is that Muslims do follow their text, but like Christians, they will take the bad parts and use the typical excuses:

That's out of context.

You're interpreting it wrong.

You have to read it in the original Arabic to understand.

There's nothing in the definition that states a Muslim must take it all literally. Thus, the claim that if one does not take it all as-is (and is therefore a terrorist), then they're not actually a Muslim, does not hold.