Organ - Couperin - Nuno Oliveira

Some excerts from the "Messe pour les Couvents" by François Couperin at the Flentrop organ of the Sé Patriarcal de Lisboa. This instrument was built in 1964 by the dutch organ builder Flentrop and it has 4 keyboards and pedal.

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• nuno
• oliveira
• organ
• orgue
• lisboa
• lisbon
• cathedral
• françois
• couperin
• messe
• couvents
• kyrie
• gloria

[marsvltor2]

There are no reeds on the Pedal in your performance, which is perfect. In an authentic performance on a continental instrument, reeds in a plein jeu should never be used, but in England (!), our organs are so dull that a reed of some description is necessary to bring out a CF... Unlike a Cliquot (or even a Cavaille for that matter), the typical English organ is thick and characterless, and certainly doesn't take kindly to part writing!!! Hope I made sense. Regards,

Paul :-)

[harpsinuno]

Ah, I see... Well, since I am in Portugal, and this is a typical dutch organ, your suggestion and no application doesn´t in this piece. Anyway thanks for your comments. If I go to England one day to play this piece on such an instrument, I won´t forget your suggestion ;)

[marsvltor2]

As far as I'm aware, plein jeu requires no reeds (unless there is a CF in the pedal, as mentioned above). The reed chorus is only used in grands jeu (as in the big dialogues). Regards, Paul :-)

[harpsinuno]

But where did you listen reeds in the pedal? There are no reeds in the pedal...

[AswinSelena]

Lets look it up in Jon Laukvik, Historical performance practive in organ Playing. We read on pg 162 - 163: " A plein Jeu piece WITH Cantus Firmus ( thus not every Plein Jeu ) was occasionally called Plein Chant. The cantus firmus was either in Tenor or the bass. Te cantus firmus is played by the pedals, in the first case with te trompet 8 alone. In the second case the Grand orgue to pedal coupler must be drawn in addition, so that the pedal also has a 16 pitch."

[harpsinuno]

Yes, you are right. We see for example in pieces by Nicolas de Grigny where you have a plein jeu and the cantus firmus in the pedal. That one needs a reed on the pedal. In this case we do not have a cantus firmus in the pedal.

[accousticdecay]

Very well done! I am an American bumkin and not quite as picky about the registration.

[owenbellmore]

Reed or no read, leave the proof aside this is a great example.

[reallyharried]

Schola Cantorum edition dates from the late 18 Hundreds, not the cutting edge of early music scholarship we have today and that Nuno is IMHO on the cutting edge of.

[vannicq]

As you see very well, I said AS one of the best french ancient music interpretes.

et puis desolee, je conprend que chaqun a son critere mais il faut qd meme dire qu'il est considere specialiste de la musique ancienne de l'orgue francaise

[vannicq]

I said AS ONE OF BEST FRENCH ANCIENT MUSIC INTERPRETES.

desolee,je comprend que chaqun a son critere personel mais ici en france c'est tres claire.

[geheimnisvolle]

sorry, but beeing a very famous organist and having recorded ancient works doesn't means nothing.