FreedomFest 2007 The BIG Debate 2of7 Dinesh D'Souza

The BIG Debate: U.S. Foreign Policy and the War in Iraq

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eA1NWiwMQ
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ze98wCHJII
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaXOTpk7BCw
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC-ZxzYneOQ
Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOZgXhgF5A
Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqTrhrF86o
Part 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2rKQ6vyzYA

Libertarians Ron Paul & Doug Casey vs. Conservatives Larry Abraham & Dinesh D'Souza

Summary of points raised by D'Souza:

* For libertarianism to be consistent it should defend the principle of liberty.
* Non-intervention can be useful, but it is subordinate to the primary principle of liberty
* If you can intervene abroad to secure liberty should you do it? Or should you abstain in the name of non-intervention which would undermine liberty?
* It could seem paradoxical to libertarians to use force to secure freedom. However, we have imposed freedom at the point on a bayonet in the past on Japan and Germany. The results have been very positive.
* Freedom often comes through force. For example through a revolution. Revolutions are rarely peaceful and never legal. It took a civil war to secure freedom for African Americans. Hence freedom sometimes comes through force.
* In retrospect, should we have gone into Iraq? In retrospect, I wish we had focused a little more on Iran. They're clearly the ones seeking WMD's. Unfortunately we can't act in retrospect, we have to act based on the best information available at the time.
* Today Muslims have only two choices, Islamic tyranny (like Iran's rule of the Mullahs) or secular tyranny (like everyone else; Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc). From a Muslim point of view there is no freedom in the middle east. The war in Iraq is trying to create a 3rd choice; call it Muslim democracy.
* We're not the worlds policeman promoting democracy everywhere. In Iraq we're not trying to impose democracy everywhere, we're simply trying to impose it somewhere to give Muslims an alternative to the forms of tyranny that engulf their world.
* The Islamists already control Iran and have been trying for a generation to export the Khomeini revolution to other countries. They are desperate to get another major state, and they've said it should be Iraq. They've announced if they get Iraq they'll then target Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
* Is the libertarian position that we should sit back and watch this happen? Realistically we have interests in the Middle East and we should defend them.
* Why did Islamists attack the US on 9-11? Bin Laden believes that the U.S. is outwardly tough, but inwardly a bunch of cowards. When the fighting get's tough, they'll turn tail and run. They did it in Vietnam and they'll do it again. All they have to do is wait it out in Iraq until the great impatience and weariness of the American people to arise when stoked by the political left and some libertarians that say we should leave. Iraq then falls into their hands.
* If we believe in freedom, we should stay and fight for it.


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[BenLevine16]

He's a smart guy trying to argue an idiotic point. It is too bad because this is the best argument for intervention I have heard and it is still horrible.

[baggytheo]

What a jackass.

[rubstrol]

D'souza is revolting,ugly stupid mofo.

[bradchesney11]

D'souza is not a "Conservative," nor was Ronald Reagan.

Americans are losing more of their "liberties" at home while D'souza deludes himself into believing that we are spreading liberty in the Middle East.

D'souza acts like a Israeli settler who just kicked Palestinians off of their land and is full of fear and trepidation that he'll get sacked without the assistance of the U.S. Military.

The paranoid style of the Neo-Conservatives.

[Pdrum2]

Here's the thing, why is he buyihng in to this idea of the bush administration of "planting a seed of democracy". How do you do that? It sounds awfully like idealism to me. It's impossible to bring democracy to a country that is based on Islamic fascism. How do you go about the goal, there is nothing defined I can't see how it would not be a waste of money. Ron Paul from what I hear brings a constitutional clear goal that makes sense and does bring vague "planting seed of democracy"

[Pdrum2]

he should stick to the foreign policy instead  of criticizing libertarianism

[Pdrum2]

D' Souza misunderstand the word liberty that libertarians use, he uses freedom from corcion, unless he disapproves of classical liberalism

[Jononutoob]

The start of every American war and most invasions of history began with "we are here to help you".

This guy is a nationalist. He actually believes unlike every government in world history that the US is divine and our fate is to spread light. This is why he plays to the "dont turn tail and run" or 911 issue. He is more concerned about pride and emotions rather than the good of our rights and nation. Rebels dont take rights. They fight for them. That's why they are called rebels.

[Prsnhoot]

d'souza is very sausageeeee!