Gurdjieff Russian documentary- Part 2 (English subs)

English translation by Linda and friends.Thankyou.

Narrative has a number of rumours and journalistic speculations but remains of overall interest.

John Robert Colombo has done an excellent review of the program here http://gurdjieffbooks.wordpress.com/2

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[gurdjieffmik]

Thanks for that Yevelbert. I have been advised that some serious wiseacring exists. My hope eventually is to get all 4 documentaries transcribed and with the assistance of a group to create a piece as near to objective as possible. Thankyou for offer of translation and I may get back to you regarding some assistance with project.

Kindest regards.

[gurdjieffmik]

I have some friends who hope to assist with Translation in near future.

Kindest regards

Michael

[gurdjieffmik]

I may have someone able to assist with translation.When I receive the help I will do subtitles. Thanks.

[greenrate]

(LOL) This film is cazy making.

A certain percentage of it is demonstrably nonsense.

But then . . . there are parts of it that seem as if they might be genuinely revelatory.

For example: the movement recordings at 5:44. I've never seen them before.

Are they true 1920-30s recordings of actual Gurdjieff groups doing the movements? If so, they would be significant historical documents.

Or are they just clever re-creations made to look that way?

[mietinmiksin22]

I have visited the Gurdjieff groups and talked to members. There's nothing SECRET

about these groups and any body can be a member any time. There are Jewish

member and leaders too, just like there are Christians or of other creeds.

So the Nazi connection seems more like the product of someone's imagination!

[antoniolapicca1]

One of wiseacring it is the confusion o 1948 car accident with the other ( 1924)

The other it is the translation Master of dance instead of Master of Dancing.

I should like people that has access to historical archive confirm or confute about the mason Prince. the SS disciples.

Another problem it is to tell the biography of G taking for real facts the tales he says in Meetings... It is the same mistake to believe that the Genesis is about historical creation of world !

[yevelbert]

From LJ blog of one of the people - Sergey Moskalev (8:06) interviewed for the movie:

.. I talked to the author (Oleg Shishkin)- he is also in shock. The whole "salad" was made by the studio director, movie director and producer who pushed the author aside. Feverish nonsense in presence of brain malfunction. They probably added something about "human-riddle".. "We and nobody else will be able to solve the riddle.. except for his brother.. who wanted to take his face mask after death..."

[yevelbert]

It is a documentary called "Gurdjieff, Stalin and Hitler". I have not watched the full thing, but suffered through this fragment. It is very subjective - who cares about 5 different opinions of different people about his teaching, it is not like they are telling his biography. Dances are cool though, any idea where those are coming from? If you would like a translation - let me know, but most of it is pouring water under the bridge.

[danijeelm8]

Any info about translation in English?