The Shifting Sands

I have been meaning to address this video in its entirety for a while. Now I have. Tick.

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[TheAist]

now, imagine a place where everyone thinks that way....and everyone thinks you're stupid for thinking what you just said...welcome to my world.

[askegg]

You make me sad :(

[xchampx]

I see a lot of anger and hate behind this guys eyes. I feel bad for him. I will pray for this guy. God bless.

[askegg]

There is no anger, just frustration that someone who seems so intelligent can be so easily misled.

[xchampx]

8:42 Hey bud, why don't you actually challenge a debate with him. He is smart. Ask everyone who has debated him.

[askegg]

Sure. You fly me over to America and put me up for a few days and I will have a chat to WLC.

[camino1ca]

That was great.

[bonnie43uk]

Christians will always tell you, we get our morals from the bible. .. i can smell bullshit here. The Aborigines have lived for thousands and thousands of years in complete harmony with nature, knowing right from wrong .. without any knowledge of the bible. Good video Askegg.

[TheAist]

dont be sad, i look at it like an opportunity

[edejardin]

Darktango, in general I agree, but there is a further problem with attempting to 'communicate the gist' of the arguments of a philosopher like Aquinas with a 500 space limit, viz. Aquinas uses familiar terms like cause, act, potentiality, essence, etc. in entirely unfamiliar ways (hence very common atheist misunderstandings). I other words, to communicate the gist effectively I'd have in essence to teach a mini course on Aquinas in youtube comboxes, which is not feasible; hence the reference.

[darktango78]

Edejardin,

I agree, but you can often comunicate the gist and then add a reference rather than condescend those who are unfamiliar with a text.

To add to a previous point, while Darwin my have had some racist conclusions he never claimed to come from a field that had the morality market cornered, so to speak.

To this day Aquinas is held by the Catholic Church as the model teacher for those studying for the priesthood.

Do you know if the Church has issued a retraction for his broken morality?

[edejardin]

Darktango, I submit that when you have a 500 space limit and are discussing topics that are never treated in 101 level texts with fewer than 100 pages, it's much better to refer people to works that are freely available online than it is to present what would inevitably be simplistic caricatures of serious philosophical arguments.

[darktango78]

Edejardin,

I did indeed know that and that was my point.

Merely telling someone that Aquinas said something is not much help, especially in light of the mental contortions he could go through to come to conclusions we clearly disagree with.

It is better to re-articulate an argument and show how it stands on its own merits.