Colton Salaz - Persuasive

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• Gunshow Loophole
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[CommanderAmarao1]

@pneumaticpanther

I wish Costco sold firearms or related items like reloading supplies. Hell to the yeah for Costco sized boxes of ammunition!

I too noticed Mr. Salaz's lack of due diligence in researching and fact checking with regards to Columbine, Costco and the existence of government agencies. Sounds like he plucked them out of thin air.

[CommanderAmarao1]

Their violent crime rates tend to be tied to other factors, like drugs, gang activity, etcetera, the same as states with draconian firearms laws like NY and CA. I'll say it again, permissive and liberal firearms ownership laws have no correlation violent crime. The crime is tied to other factors. Check it yourself at bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/

[CommanderAmarao1]

holders are not required to in most states. This has been the law of the land in many of these states since their entry into statehood. If that was such a grand contributor to weapons finding their way into the wrong hands, as you claim, then the statistics from the FBI BJS (bureau of justice statistics, an actual department, not like the entity you made up) would show these states having higher criminal usage of firearms. Oddly enough, they don't.

[CommanderAmarao1]

Also of note, if a person who holds an 07 FFL (Curio and Relic FFL, mostly obtained by collectors to streamline adding C&R weapons to their collection) sells a firearm to a private individual, by Federal law, they are required to log the buyer's name and drivers' license or other government issued ID in their log book in case federal DOJ or state DOJ audit their books. Again, anyone holding any form of FFL must maintain a paper trail when they buy/sell a weapon. Private citizens, i.e non-FFL

[CommanderAmarao1]

Most other states (40, specifically) do not require DROS paperwork or a NICS check for face to face transfers between private individuals. Only on sales from a FFL holder to a private party. Calling this a loophole is dishonesty incarnate. The local Crips set or Surenos mob aren't getting their guns from licensed dealers at all, and in statistically insignificant numbers at organized shows since the sellers there want fair market value for their guns.

[CommanderAmarao1]

*cont* but instead reviewed the law, and opted to perform a perfectly legal private party purchase to lend weight to your so called "loophole" argument. The loophole is a myth. The same laws apply at gun shows as they do at any other venue or time of year. In CA, there are local FFL holders who coordinate with sellers to DROS guns for purchasers so that the out of state vendors can make sales in CA. They receive the firearms and hold them 10 days for the purchaser.

[CommanderAmarao1]

*continued*, the only firearms in CA that are exempt from DROS requirements, as noted by others in this thread, are firearms named by the Federal government as Curios and Relics, any firearm more than 50 years old that doesn't violate the CA assault weapon ban or the National Firearms Act of 1934 (full auto, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and various oddball firearms). I'm guessing that you're not naive enough to commit a serious felony and admit it on a forum that gets millions of views daily

[CommanderAmarao1]

Federal Bureau of Background Checks? What's the address of their website? And the "gun show loophole" is hyperbole and propaganda. Private Party Transfers (PPT), that is, sales of firearms between non-FFL private citizens are regulated at the state level. Many states do not require FFL involvement for PPTs. California requires an FFL to perform a NICS check and file a Federal form 4473, the Dealer Record Of Sale (DROS) for transfers of modern (newer than 50 years old) rifles, all handguns

[jdberger]

Colton Salaz - I've sent you an email requesting more information on your "purchase of guns at the Del Mar gun show" without a background check in May 2010.

[jdberger]

This is fiction, right?

Despite the profusion of dates and important sounding names and departments (The Federal Bureau of Background Checks? Fire Owners Protection Act?) there are about 3 sentences in this presentation that aren't complete fiction.

Regarding the topic, since when should a the government be involved in private transactions? Should people trading books have to go through a book dealer?

Finally, thanks for admitting to a federal felony! Expect a visit from ATF!