Religion of Atheism Humanism?

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[thehumanistofnorway]

There are lots of sources discussing non-religious morals where you can challange your views. I for one is not the person to adress such an issue. But being an atheist, I can say that I do not believe in the concept of "evil". I think people act out of what they think is best, and sometimes they do things other people find horrid. No one is able to do something they believe is wrong out of free will. I couldn't kill anyone unless I felt it was right to do so. (I do think its wrong to kill btw)

[NadNareek]

@thehumanistofnorway you DO believe it is right to kill if the person is attacking you or your family or if it is a chicken you wish to eat; if I were you I would plan the extermination of the human species as a parasite infestation of earth, and it would be right

[thehumanistofnorway]

@NadNareek As I said, I am no authority on non-religious morals so you'll find a real, intelectual challange elsewere. I don't have the knowlege nesessery to represent that view. However, I might comment your claim; No, I would not believe that it is right. The right way would be to try to stop him from attacking me, making him unable to do so. I would do what I can to prevent to kill or harm another human being. If he died in the process, it would be tragic, but he had alot of the blame himself

[NadNareek]

@thehumanistofnorway humanism offers no certainty and only despair

[Underlings]

You're confusing philosophy with religion, NadNareek. One can have morality, values, ethics, etc. without being religious or having anything at all to do with any religion.

Just look at the definition of religion: "Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe."

[housemd22]

I want to address one of your points. Please correct me if I am misinterpreting anything.

You discuss the fact that you have never met a single atheist who is "atheist in all respects" regarding morality. I have two points to make:

1) Just because you have not met an atheist without morals does not mean this person does not exist.

2) You have uncovered a point often used by atheists against the religious - morality is not derived from religion.

Is your point that "true" atheists are immoral?

[NadNareek]

@krissy4nik Humanity fits the definition of vermin parasite infestation: feeding off other species, destroying the habitat of other species, exterminating millions of species, destroying the air, oceans, and forests....all for human consumption and indulgence without regard for the welfare of other species. Why should humanity not be exterminated? especially if atheism is true?

[krissy4nik]

@NadNareek Where was it ever said the atheist position is that humanity are parasitic vermon infesting the earth? Some people may be parasitic vermon but the humans I know are concerned with knowledge, love,and kindness. If you think without a god humanity is nothing more than a bunch of vermon either you need new friends or a new world view.

[NadNareek]

@krissy4nik you believe in your husbands love because you see evidence, right? but you do not believe he is one member of the vermin parasite infestation of earth

[krissy4nik]

All atheism required is a disbelief in a god. To say there is no true atheist because people have beliefs is a false statement. I have many beliefs but belief in a deity is not one of them. Some beliefs though they are not 100% ingrained in scientific proof are justified by other means. I believe my husband loves me because he has a pretty good track record of doing the things I consider loving acts. That belief could be false but@ this point ive seen nothing to suggest that.

[NadNareek]

The true rational atheist who believes in no afterlife, also believes in no morality although they may borrow moral values from social or belief systems and behave in a moral way from those viewpoints.