NPR - Lewis Black on Scientology - June 10, 2008
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Actually, the Puritans wanted freedom to impose their own theocracy, and even persecuted a bunch of people to the point they founded Rhode Island just to escape Puritan theocracy. Even then, religious freedom didn't really catch on until the Enlightenment thinkers of the mid 1700s over a hundred years after the Mayflower. For that matter, the phrase "separation of church and state" was effectively invented by Jefferson in the late 1700s.
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@Suprahampton Separation of c and s started with the first settlers who were puritans escaping religious persecution in Britain, a protestant state. To keep this from repeating the 1st amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." SCOTUS later read this to mean that there should be a separation of church and state so that one can't control the other, leaving people to believe or not believe as they wish (ideally).
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@atork88 Is that why there's supposed to be seperation of church & state in America?
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@jmoney507 Well, criticism of organized religion is a foundation of deism, since they believe that all religious works are man made not divinely influenced. Actually quite a few of the founding fathers were deists or influenced by deism like Ben Franklin (became atheist later in life), Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, etc.. They were critical of the power of organized religion as well.
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@atork88 i see. makes sense. I myself am critical of organizesd religion, but believe in the Bible and God (though I think people understand what they believe at timesand take it too far).
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@jmoney507 No, i'm jewish borderlining on atheism, but i have plenty of friends who consider themselves deists. Deism is more of a mindset than a religion. A religion has two components, belief in a higher being and adherence to certain beliefs and practices of that religion. A deist believes there is a higher power but doesn't follow any specific religious practice like going to church if you're christian or keeping kosher if you're jewish. hope that helps.
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@jmoney507 No, I'm an atheist, or at least an anti-religionist. To me, Scientology is no weirder than any other religion. They're all nonsense and superstition.
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@Kite197 trollish bullshit
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@atork88 are you speaking as a deist? i would actually like to know more about deism
"Anything Tom Cruise believes in I don't have time for..." Well said Mr. Black...I agree completely.
magikamerika 2 years ago 53
Scientology makes... "every other organized religion look like science." Hahaha! Hilarious!
vongoloid 3 years ago 44