Oom Yung Doe 2.wmv

Oom Yung Doe Grand Master Iron Kim demonstrates Kyong Gong Sul Bope ... More information on Bagwa Chung from the Oom Yung Doe student handbook.

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Sports

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• Martial Arts
• Judo
• Karate

[PassiveTaco]

@BushidoCode72 @tencylinder

I tell my friends about this because I've had many fun times and benefited greatly. It's not because I want them to follow a "Grandmaster" like it's some sort of religion. I do it because it's fun and it's a great source of exercise. I'm not trying to tell you to join or w/e but I also do want to say that I researched, I'm not naive and I know it's out there. You just have to be careful...I don't know where I'm going with this but that's my 2 cents...

[PassiveTaco]

@BushidoCode72 @tencylinder

Ok I'm really sorry but both you kids need to calm down. I've been training with OYD for 3 years and yes I do acknowledge the facts that he went to jail and etc. Thankfully, I've never been truly attacked so I don't know how effective this is against self defense, I don't want to have a false sense of security. I do, however, know that for the past 3 years, I've continually grown stronger and healthier than I've ever been before. I can do flips, work with swords etc.

[BushidoCode72]

@tencylinder What questions do you have? Dude, I see you are a hard core follower. Ok. I wish you all the best. When you want to learn the truth, go ahead, and do your own research. There is so mcuh information on the history of OYD, CMQ and CMD, it is overwhelming. If you want to believe the school's web sites (no one actually saw master kim do anything btw), ok. When you want to learn more, you can Youtube Chung Moo Quan the Cult and the Con report (to start your research)

[BushidoCode72]

@tencylinder Dude, no need to get angry. I am merely stating facts. ANd these facts stood up in court. There are youtube videos of Kim being arrested and sent to jail. And KIM WENT TO JAIL for 9 years along with his followers. Just check your own facts there is so much information on this cult...if you cant be convinced, why are we even having this youtube discussions.

[BushidoCode72]

@jyunte YOU ARE RIGHT. WIth so much overwhelming information out there about fraud, and scams and brainwashing, etc. if people do not find it, or force themselves not to believe it, they are lost. Even their health claims are fraudulent. Oh well. Just have to move on.

[jyunte]

@jyunte ...Upon release from imprisonment, the defendant shall be on supervised release for a term of three (3) years.

While tencylinder can argue about "disgruntled former students" who "couldn't hack" the training at Chung Moo Doe, and give all kinds of anecdotal evidence of how great Chung Moo Doe is, he can't deny the facts that are easily located, and won't go away, just because they changed the name from Chung Moo Doe to Oom Yung Doe.

[jyunte]

@jyunte This document states:

"the total amount of tax that the [members of the conspiracy] evaded or attempted to evade" during and in furtherance of the conspiracy of which defendants stand convicted, was $2,172,800.00."

Sentencing John C Kim count(s) 1. The defendant is hereby committed to the custody of the United States Bureau of Prisons to be imprisoned for a total term of sixty (60) months on Count 1. ...

[jyunte]

@tencylinder There are so many links about Chung Moo Doe, John "Iron" Kim, and the lawsuits, including the article in wikipedia, which contains a link to the court's Minute Orders document for the felony case against Kim and his National Instructors.

On 04/11/95, bail was set for Kim to the tune of $750,000, and then a warrant was issued for his arrest.

[jyunte]

@BushidoCode72 Having personally visited their schools and witnessed their training first hand, I was not overly concerned about getting a beating. I'm sure their technique of brainwashing their students is more sophisticated these days, and once a student has time and money invested in Chung Moo Doe it becomes very hard for them to look at it objectively anymore. It's hard for most people to admit they were duped.

[jyunte]

@jyunte But enough about Choi. The art he developed is loosly based on Aikido and Japanese jujutsu, and is effective in its own right. Chung Moo Doe teachers have no understanding of the individual arts they supposedly teach "as one".They were unable to answer my questions because their answers could be easily verified, which in turn would prove that Chung Moo Doe is bunk, that their quoted history is a lie, and that their founder is a fraud... which is exactly what he was convicted of!