Cansec Arms Fair 2008 - Call-out
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there is no such thing as non-violence.
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Good video. War sucks. Don't get too excited about "violence" from pacifists, it's just a bunch of drawings.
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Both violent and non-violent strategies exist on spectrum of possible actions, and to claim that only one is effective is to have a selective historical memory. Many tactics are necessary, and act in concert with each other to bring about social transformation.
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I am quite aware of history. Gandhi's success came in the wake of over a hundred years of often-violent struggle for independence by Indians. The Gandhi example, while obviously nonviolent, took place within a broader framework of a violent peripheral process. It was unique to a particular time in history in which the British Empire, and power was in sharp decline as a result of two world wars.
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What relativistic cynicism! Everyone and everything is fucked, etc. If I thought like that, I'd have done myself in by now. Also, if everything/everyone is violent and there's nothing we can do about it supposedly, how easy to excuse our own violence. Not far from a fascist view.
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Pacifism does not mean "passivism." I'm not sure you even know what non-violent civil disobedience is. Study some history. Look up what Gandhi, Quakers and many others have done. Environmentalists refusing to get out of trees, etc. BTW, tanks don't go by themselves (the boy next door is DRIVING it)!
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Our society as it currently exists is based upon widespread structural violence, nothing about our existence as part of the Western world is peaceful. In the words of author/activist Peter Gelderloos; "There is nothing in this world currently deserving of the name peace. Rather, it is a question of whose violence frightens us most, and on whose side we will stand."
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In the video the Molotov cocktail is thrown at the tank, and the building; inanimate objects, so no I do not define that as violence. As you said the tank is engulfed in flames, not people. Personally I do not find the statement make war on the war profiteers ridiculous. On the contrary, I find ridiculous and tragic the widespread notion that passive action will set into motion concrete change.
It was global violence perpetuated by war that severely hindered Britain's ability to control its colonial territories, and as such laid the necessary foundation for the success of Gandhi's movement.
lovelyvegan 3 years ago 3
hahhahaha the use of violence to oppose the military and militaristic R&D... awesome... anyone else find this video to contradict itself? i sure do.. you fail ransackcansec... go smoke some more pot you hippie
wykydtron42 2 years ago 2