Full Version: Boteach and Ungar-Sargon Debate on Circumcision

Filmmaker Eli Ungar-Sargon debates Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on the subject of circumcision.

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• Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
• Eli Ungar-Sargon
• Circumcision
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[heinricherlmt]

RIGHT FUCKING HERE!! ::raises hand:: i can tell you that the only time my vagina hasnt been swollen and sore and dry during/after intercourse is when i had sex with an intact man. AND YA KNOW WHAT, MY RABBI?? THE ONE TIME I HAD SEX WITH A INTACT MAN I HAD CRAZY MULTIPLE ORGASMS!! i find it VERY hard to have even a slight orgasm with my current (circumcised) partner. YOU ARE LIVING IN THE DARK, PAL! INTACT IS INFINITELY BETTER!!!!

[whatUneverknew]

Does this windbag know that he's supposed to be discussing circumcision? Hello! Not divorce, not Britney Spears, not monogamy, not whether or not Dan Savage wants to destroy religion, not single old women. Talk about a pointless stream of consciousness! Eli wins this "debate" hands down. Not just 'cause his opponent failed so miserably, but 'cause he is arguing in favor of granting men their full rights by ending this bad medical / religious practice and he does so inteligently and concisely

[ratonL]

The Rabbi is kicking rocks. Weak arguments and sometimes totally out of point, dodging the points presented... (¬,¬)

[ratonL]

21:00 Tell me Rabbi, would it make sense to chop a breast off considering that it reduce breast cancer by 50%? Consider breast cancer is way more common than penile cancer. They would still have the other to feed their young, right? So it makes it justifiable no sir that is non-sense.

20:18 The most effective means are education, hygiene and the 'safe-sex' equipment, not chopping baby bits, unless you're a lazy parent.

[ratonL]

14:10 Of course they lose sensitivity. Most will say that's not true, but that's because they never had it any other way. Tell me, how's taking away nerve endings and letting the remaining ones be over-stimulated via constant contact with fabrics thus leading to the development of an outer dried out, thickened and toughened skin, not desensitization?

[ginberryblue]

Thank you Eliyahu for raising public awareness about circumcision and for making such a cogent argument in this debate. I love being a Jew for the same reason you do---that asking the hard questions is not only allowed, but central to Judaism, as is using any resulting insights to push for justice. You go, you Mensch! Thanks for "Cut"!

I was mad as hell, though, that Rav Windbag disrespected everybody there by hogging the time with off-topic rants. The audience had no time for serious Q&A.

[MsAhmedka]

@heinricherlmt ,,Muslims are the largest group of circumcisers in the world. Be fair,my Muslim brother,, say No to Muslim circumcision,,the largest circumcisers in the world

[Widgetas]

Human sexuality - I wonder why it's so hard for Boteach to grasp the fact that babies do not have sex.

[Widgetas]

@whatUneverknew Welcome to debating with Shmuley Boteach. It took me a minute to recall who he was. Having heard him debate Hitchens etc, I have to wonder why the 'pro' side couldn't field a better candidate for the discussion.

[Joeloliol]

Eli is so smart and is such an inspiration. He's done the research, asked the right questions and struggled with the tough questions..

In this debate Rabbi Shmuley Boteach essentially pleads ignorance and fills his allotted time to speak with some of the other issues of sexuality that he has spent more time critically questioning instead.

I found Boteach's comments about intact men being less able to be faithful or to control themselves HIGHLY offensive.

Thank you Eli for tackling this issue.

[TinWoodsmanXXX]

Eli's closing was as brilliant as his opening. Both were superb.  "Jews have an obligation to think deeply and question..." I am paraphrasing him here. People like him and the woman who started the "Beyond the Bris" movement are really the ones helping Jews think deeply about this subject. Bravo to them both!

[TinWoodsmanXXX]

Eli really did a wonderful job here. Boteach was clearly tilting at windmills of his own making and he had many of his "facts" just plain wrong. The "health benefits" of circumcision disappear when you look more carefully at circumcision. Divorce rates in intact Europe are 25% compared to 50% for circ'ed America.  Etc. Etc. He really was unprepared. He doesn't know anyone who is unhappy about circumcision? He needs to get out more, shout less, and listen more. Therapist indeed.