Awake you sleepy Christians, I'm one of them, and God has awaken me, "Faith without works is dead", (James), "Even a demon can believe in God, and he still trembles with fear"
AP: I get where you're coming from, all valid and good points. My point is kids don't come to church, we gotta speak THE MESSAGE to them in their own language, so they understand it, surely that was the reason for telling parables?
If it is "the beat" that gets them "on fire," we seriously have to consider whether we are offering up "strange fire" and arrogantly calling it worship.
The reality is that music itself has a message, and the three basic elements of music correspond to the three basic components of a human. You drive by a beer joint, and you just know they are not playing Bach chorales in there. There is a reason for that.
By ignoring this principle, the modern church has become an entertainment center, and a vehicle for a dollar-driven music industry that makes our services look like something from American Idol.
Think about it this way. Let's say you are in Pizza Hut. A guy gets up from his pitcher of beer, goes over to the jukebox, puts in his money and plays something by the latest entertainment Idol. It makes sense. He is of the world, has worldly appetites, and just wants some entertainment.
The next day, you go into a church, expecting to hear from God. There you find someone who is trying to sound like the beer-soaked entertainment of the world! Surely you know SOMETHING is wrong.
We need to be the Light in the WORLD, not keep it hidden under a bushel inside the Church building, speaking Christianese. That's why there was a different verrsion create there.. So kids could get on fire, and then will they perhaps like the hymns and discover a heritage that satan tried to hide from them :)
I don't think standards are the issue here. The message stays the same - the methods changes, otherwise we become irrellevant. As a pastor I address different "generations"; our ways of presenting the Gospel changes a bit. I LOVE the hymns: "be thou my vision" or "Let the cross be our Glory" and agree that we need to preserve a Holy heritage. However, kids are not there where they will receive, the beats over the messages you spoke about draws them in.
So what will the message and methods be 100 years from now when the culture is even further down the tubes? Should our great grandchildren forsake the standards we held so they can chase the current culture, trying to gain acceptance? That tactic has not worked for us too well. The church is weak and anemic and filled with people who are there for entertainment and emotionalism.
No, we should stand as a lighthouse, steadfast, immovable, and easily distinguishable from the rocks around us.
I am glad to see that the music was fixed. The version of "Revival Hymn" I saw a while back was not a hymn at all. Instead, it had these timeless and powerful messages set in a backdrop of the worldly boom boom BAP boom boom BAP boom boom BAP rock music that the fleshly ears of the church have gotten used to.
WAKE UP SLEEPY CHRISTIANS!!!!!
aaronecolyer 2 years ago 2
AP: I get where you're coming from, all valid and good points. My point is kids don't come to church, we gotta speak THE MESSAGE to them in their own language, so they understand it, surely that was the reason for telling parables?
220generation 2 years ago
If it is "the beat" that gets them "on fire," we seriously have to consider whether we are offering up "strange fire" and arrogantly calling it worship.
AmosPressley 2 years ago
The reality is that music itself has a message, and the three basic elements of music correspond to the three basic components of a human. You drive by a beer joint, and you just know they are not playing Bach chorales in there. There is a reason for that.
By ignoring this principle, the modern church has become an entertainment center, and a vehicle for a dollar-driven music industry that makes our services look like something from American Idol.
AmosPressley 2 years ago
Think about it this way. Let's say you are in Pizza Hut. A guy gets up from his pitcher of beer, goes over to the jukebox, puts in his money and plays something by the latest entertainment Idol. It makes sense. He is of the world, has worldly appetites, and just wants some entertainment.
The next day, you go into a church, expecting to hear from God. There you find someone who is trying to sound like the beer-soaked entertainment of the world! Surely you know SOMETHING is wrong.
AmosPressley 2 years ago
We need to be the Light in the WORLD, not keep it hidden under a bushel inside the Church building, speaking Christianese. That's why there was a different verrsion create there.. So kids could get on fire, and then will they perhaps like the hymns and discover a heritage that satan tried to hide from them :)
220generation 2 years ago
I don't think standards are the issue here. The message stays the same - the methods changes, otherwise we become irrellevant. As a pastor I address different "generations"; our ways of presenting the Gospel changes a bit. I LOVE the hymns: "be thou my vision" or "Let the cross be our Glory" and agree that we need to preserve a Holy heritage. However, kids are not there where they will receive, the beats over the messages you spoke about draws them in.
220generation 2 years ago
So what will the message and methods be 100 years from now when the culture is even further down the tubes? Should our great grandchildren forsake the standards we held so they can chase the current culture, trying to gain acceptance? That tactic has not worked for us too well. The church is weak and anemic and filled with people who are there for entertainment and emotionalism.
No, we should stand as a lighthouse, steadfast, immovable, and easily distinguishable from the rocks around us.
AmosPressley 2 years ago
It was designed for the youtuh to resonate to it. We need to be relevant to the cultures we ar5e trying to reach.
220generation 2 years ago
I am glad to see that the music was fixed. The version of "Revival Hymn" I saw a while back was not a hymn at all. Instead, it had these timeless and powerful messages set in a backdrop of the worldly boom boom BAP boom boom BAP boom boom BAP rock music that the fleshly ears of the church have gotten used to.
Maybe that is part of our problem.
AmosPressley 3 years ago