faith, works, or both, lds answer part 1

Many christians contend about the faith and works as a practical docrine, and they usually misrepresent the lds view on this confusion in the bible, but the lds view i biblical and clear and logical, unlike the anti-mormon view.

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[brendos444]

Mate, works do not refer to Mosaic law. Works are all the things you think you can do earn salvation. You can't earn salvation! Can Paul make it any more clear. When Paul refers to the law, he is referring to the decalogue that God wrote with his finger, not the rules and regulations of the Mosaic law. My friend your good works are in vain. You must only trust in the merits of Christ because only He can save you.

[Jarkko1983]

@brendos444

Show me some scriptures that prove that the works don't refer to mosaic works? I proved my point from the scriptures. all you say, nothing is from the bible, you only give personal reasoning, while I quoted scriptures. It makes sense, Paul is preaching in a world where pagans and jews alike believed that performing certain works of ritual would merit them something, so paul had to preach against trusting in such dead performances, and rather have genuine faith and right living.

[brendos444]

Matthew 7:21 actually refers to people who think they are doing good works to warrant their salvation. It talks of those that prophesy, cast out demons and perfom miracles. All these good works, and Jesus denies them in the end. This Jarko totally misinterprets Eph 2:8-10. It clearly says that works cannot save you. But it talks of works as being something predestined for Christians to do.

[Jarkko1983]

@brendos444

matt 7:21 talks of pretenders who act in Jesus name but don't keep his commandments, miracles are the thing here, not righteousness, they confess Jesus, hence Jesus says, not every one that says Lord Lord enter the kingdom. This is against the whole idea that by confessing Christ you instantly are saved. Nothing is indicated that these pretenders of this passage are trying to warrant their salvation, only false pretension is condemned, you are forcing protestant bias to clear text

[Jarkko1983]

@brendos444 This Jarko totally misinterprets Eph 2:8-10. It clearly says that works cannot save you.

-It says clearly that our destiny and purpose is to walk in good works as said in that passage, clearly then it is expected from us to do them, or are you saying that Jesus lied in matt 25:34-46?

[ektycol]

You quote Matt 7: 21 and use your own reasoning to assume that the will of the father in this passage means and I quote you " usually means some sort of work" Really? I prefer to use Jesus to interpret Jesus. Jesus tells us what the will of the Father is, John 6:40 and what the work of God is,John 6:29. Quite the opposite of what you are saying. We work because we are Christians not to become Christians. If you work to become a Christian it reveals trust in your own ability rather than Christ.

[Jarkko1983]

@ektycol We work because we are Christians not to become Christians. If you work to become a Christian it reveals trust in your own ability rather than Christ.

-unbelievable logic! So the heathen converts were actually always christians in disquise? since they could never become christians, they were supposed to be christians already and those works just show it? So JOhn the baptist was lying when he commanded the converts to bring fruit meet for repentance? faith is part of it all offcourse!

[osmiolos]

Salvation from Physical Death. All people eventually die. But through the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, all people will be resurrected—saved from physical death. Paul testified, "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22). In this sense, everyone is saved, regardless of choices made during this life. This is a free gift from the Savior to all human beings.

[trencher7]

From what I have seen the LDS and Catholics are in agreement on faith, grace & works. "Faith alone" only appears one time in scriptures and that's when James tells us it will not save. Paul also said it's better to have charity than faith.

[ektycol]

@Jarkko1983 Since I`m quoting the words of Jesus, so you will have to explain to me what is so unbelievable about his logic. You clearly misunderstand what John meant. The Pharisees and Sadducees were loaded with good works, so according to your logic John should have accepted them. Paul explains that they stumbled because they trusted in those works rather than faith, Rom 9:30-33 Works to attain a saving righteousness has no part in God`s plan. Eph 2:8-9 Righteousness comes by faith Jhn 1:12,13

[omiolo]

While recuperating I was the recipient of many kind acts and gifts of service from the wonderful saints of my ward. For example, one day while undergoing designated bed rest at my home due to leaking spinal fluid, all the youth of my ward gathered around my window in my backyard and sang to me a hymn of Zion and wished me well.

[omiolo]

"Little did I know that I would end up as the one in need of this service," he wrote. "During the year I was required to undergo painful back surgery which, after unforeseen complications, left me feeling somewhat helpless as to how I could get done all that I needed to do as a father, bishop and employee.