1-14 Salvation Through Water Baptism ? - Church of Christ

The Doctrinal Errors of the Church of Christ Concerning Baptism and its Relationship to Salvation. Dr. Robert Morey

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@crownofthorns99 "The spirit has to reveal it too you... until he does, all I can do is pray for you."  Like the Spirit did for you. Like when you're asked pointed and simple questions, such as "Explain Eph 4: 4-6 in light of the fact that you teach contrary to the passage", you roll right along as if you actually feigned an answer. Then pray for ME to receive some kinda answer that you failed to give? Hmmm....well....I'll pray that you take the Bible alone and leave your feelings aside.

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@crownofthorns99 "I will just continue to pray for you!" You'll pray for, lemme guess: the Spirit of God to swoop down and "illuminate" me and "quicken" me because I'm "blind" enough to stand upon the Bible and the Bible alone? In other words, what good does it do quote a scripture to someone who hasn't gotten the "illumination" yet? Can the person understand it without some miracle? As per you, "No, they can't."

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@crownofthorns99 Your main argument - when all is said and done - runs about like this: "I know it because I feel it, and I feel it because the Spirit "told" me apart from the written word." I repeat: the only difference between you and Joseph Smith and Ellen White is the DEGREE of trouble caused. The THEORY and defense of it is the SAME. Of course, Ellen had to take a trip to heaven, while you sat here on earth.

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@crownofthorns99 "I only questioned you regarding your erroneous teaching that a man needs water baptism before he is saved." Certainly you did. And you ran everywhere from an obedient believer like Abraham - which doesn't fit your doctrine - to Cornelius .... and proved nothing!

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@crownofthorns99 "I can only give you the spiritual meaning of a passage in God's Word, but you can't see it if you're still a natural man" I'm not so sure you give THAT. But look at your assertion: you have "the Spirit", so even though you assign ridiculous meanings to passages and you do not answer specific questions (like the one on Eph 4: 4-6 which you consistently ignore), the fact that you ASSERT that you have the Spirit supposedly TRUMPS anyone who disagrees with you. How convenient!

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@crownofthorns99 "If you want answers, read the scriptures I have already posted." Ummm....I did, and I've read them many times. They do NOT teach a direct operation of the Holy Spirit in any form, especially separate and distinct from the written word. "You're only interested in arguing, and you're not seeking Truth." I have tried to answer every point you've made. It's hard to discuss the Bible with Joe Smith, Ellen White, and Father Divine - God speaks directly to all of them.

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@crownofthorns99 "If you want answers, read the scriptures I have already posted." Sir, scriptures alone won't explain such a thing as your assertion on the Greek: that "it is the gift of God" refers to "faith." You'll have to go to a Greek testament. Or else tell us that, like other things, you simply "spiritually discerned" a meaning unknown to Greek grammarians. You'll also have to explain Eph 4: 4-6 in your own words. You haven't done so yet - and you won't.

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@crownofthorns99 "You need to read my posts from yesterday... I'm not surprised that you don't understand, for the natural man received not the things of the Spirit for they are spiritually discerned." Lemme guess: you can't explain a gnat's eyelash worth of difference between (1) your miraculously-received, 'shot down direct from God' spiritual understanding and (2) inspiration. No, sir, how do you know you're right? Why, God told you - separate and distinct from the word.