When Texas Governor Rick Perry suggested his state had the right to secede from the union, liberals laughed at the mere suggestion. But secession not only has deep American roots, but is no "crazier" than socialism.
Every state is a sovereign nation by international law.
The fed did a good job of suppressing this fact since the Jackson Administration, but the simple fact is that the American union was a confederation in 1781 and a republic in 1788, but NEVER a sovereign nation-- EVER.
Charlatans have twisted the facts since before Jackson, but it's a conqueror's dream to say that a nation can surrender sovereignty by indirect, ambiguous or non-express manifestation-- and then "settle it on the battlefield."
@civilwarcow LOL! I've openly said slavery was one of the major issues. You are the one who cannot accept that it wasn't all about that. The fact that Rhett's address was only OVERWHELMINGLY about economics and did briefly mention slavery...hey, mea maxima culpa. Now, since all you can do is scream "liar!" whenever anybody disagrees with you, I do not see how this is fruitful or productive. Have a nice day.
@civilwarcow umm....huh? I wasn't involved in that other thread. Like I said, you cannot grasp the idea that others GASP!!! might see things differently. You therefore think anybody who disagrees with you "must" see it the same way you do and just be lying for having the temerity to put forth an opinion which differs from yours. Pathetic. Grow up.
@civilwarcow By the way, I saw your long exchange on the Morril Tariff thread a while back. I have no interest in going back and forth with you with each of us throwing quotes supporting our position for weeks and weeks....ending in you calling me "dishonest" for not agreeing with you and leaving in a sulk.
@civilwarcow "Slavery is not the cause of the rebellion ....Slavery is the pretext on which the leaders of the rebellion rely, 'to fire the Southern Heart' and through which the greatest degree of unanimity can be produced....Mr. Calhoun, after finding that the South could not be brought into sufficient unanimity by a clamor about the tariff, selected slavery as the better subject for agitation North American Review (Boston October 1862)
@civilwarcow You've never seen one? I just provided you with Rhett's address. The Georgia Declaration of causes goes into it at length. There are tons of other quotes from Southern political leaders saying the same thing-ie that the South was being economically exploited and that this was the primary motivation of the Northern states. If you haven't seen one I can only conclude you haven't looked or just dismiss anything that doesn't agree with your interpretation.
@SovereignStatesman :-)
dan91709 2 weeks ago
Every state is a sovereign nation by international law.
The fed did a good job of suppressing this fact since the Jackson Administration, but the simple fact is that the American union was a confederation in 1781 and a republic in 1788, but NEVER a sovereign nation-- EVER.
Charlatans have twisted the facts since before Jackson, but it's a conqueror's dream to say that a nation can surrender sovereignty by indirect, ambiguous or non-express manifestation-- and then "settle it on the battlefield."
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
Come down to it, the ability to secede from from the union is a possibility that exists.
THAT1ANONYMOUSDUDE 8 months ago
The colonies did not secede. The American people revolted.
therealaj123 8 months ago
@civilwarcow LOL! I've openly said slavery was one of the major issues. You are the one who cannot accept that it wasn't all about that. The fact that Rhett's address was only OVERWHELMINGLY about economics and did briefly mention slavery...hey, mea maxima culpa. Now, since all you can do is scream "liar!" whenever anybody disagrees with you, I do not see how this is fruitful or productive. Have a nice day.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@civilwarcow umm....huh? I wasn't involved in that other thread. Like I said, you cannot grasp the idea that others GASP!!! might see things differently. You therefore think anybody who disagrees with you "must" see it the same way you do and just be lying for having the temerity to put forth an opinion which differs from yours. Pathetic. Grow up.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@civilwarcow By the way, I saw your long exchange on the Morril Tariff thread a while back. I have no interest in going back and forth with you with each of us throwing quotes supporting our position for weeks and weeks....ending in you calling me "dishonest" for not agreeing with you and leaving in a sulk.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@civilwarcow LOL! In 1776 ALL THIRTEEN Colonies had slavery. Nice try to draw some great distinction between 1776 and 1861 but....FAIL.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@civilwarcow "Slavery is not the cause of the rebellion ....Slavery is the pretext on which the leaders of the rebellion rely, 'to fire the Southern Heart' and through which the greatest degree of unanimity can be produced....Mr. Calhoun, after finding that the South could not be brought into sufficient unanimity by a clamor about the tariff, selected slavery as the better subject for agitation North American Review (Boston October 1862)
hungarygator 9 months ago
@civilwarcow You've never seen one? I just provided you with Rhett's address. The Georgia Declaration of causes goes into it at length. There are tons of other quotes from Southern political leaders saying the same thing-ie that the South was being economically exploited and that this was the primary motivation of the Northern states. If you haven't seen one I can only conclude you haven't looked or just dismiss anything that doesn't agree with your interpretation.
hungarygator 9 months ago