Alaskan Glaciers Grow For First Time In 250 Years
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Funny, the initial headline is correct. The Alaskan glaciers HAVE grown. Smaller.
A FEW increased, but the MAJORITY AND LARGEST shrunk.
Spinmastering at its worst and I was being nice and not calling it spinmasturbating.
But then, those putting forth the BS won't live to inherit the fardling mess that our nation will become, so they don't care.
If the glaciers ALL grew, HOW did the northwest passage TOTALLY open again?
Sorry, the BS is heating the globe nearly as much as fossil fuel use.
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Well PT Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute," and WC Fields said "never give a sucker an even break."
Al Gore is clearly their unnatural love-child.
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I conceded nothing. Anyone who doesn't think the Sun warms the Earth is an idiot. All I said was that CO2 does not generate excess heat. However, CO2 concentrations are the main control on how long that heat stays on Earth. The solar cycle you refer to is an 11-year one, and so cannot be solely responsible for the observed increases in global temperature over the past few centuries.
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@dhicks3: Thank you for conceeding that the Sun is responsible for all this heating & cooling. I am quite satisfied that variations in solar activity are what is driving all this change in climate. Human activity is so marginal a factor, it can properly be called irrelevant. As It would appear the Sun is enterring a phase where the globe will cooling, the CO2 "dampening" would be very welcome.
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@VictorLepanto No one is arguing that CO2 itself is generating the heat. If you're so concerned about killing the "prime" source of the heat energy, then, by all means, let's find a way to shut down the sun. However, positive feedback cycles FULLY explain the behavior you describe. Small increases in warming also drive up CO2, which remains in the atmosphere resisting change even if temperatures otherwise drop naturally. It dampens the system and is removed only slowly.
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@dhicks3: CO2 lags both increases & decreases. Thus some other factor then CO2 is causing the decrease. This demonstrates that the decrease begins when CO2 concentrations are @ their MAXIMUM. This simple alone should suffice to demonstrate that CO2's contribution is marginal. Some OTHER factor then CO2 must be the PRIME driver of change. If some other factor is primary, why all the POLITICAL obsessing over what is at best a secondary & perhaps even a tertiary or worse factor?
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@VictorLepanto Then, you're going to need to provide a more parsimonious explanation for the rising temperature than the simple concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. All records (even geological ones going back millions of years) indicate a direct relation between CO2 and temperature proxies. You've already admitted the greenhouse effect is real: why does increasing CO2 not affect the greenhouse? Also, even if CO2 lags, it's changes endure longer because of its 300,000 yr. residence time.
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@dhicks3: Even if there is rain, there is still water vapor in the air. Rain merely shows that humidity has exceeded saturation levels, thus it fall out. CO2 might be relatively constant & H2O might be more variable, this doesn't mean H2O isn't constantly contributing the greenhouse effect. A contribution which is always greater the CO2's. Besides, CO2 increases are LAGGING indicator. They are mostly caused by warming, not a cause OF warming.
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@VictorLepanto Please, CO2 is wholly accepted by the scientific community as the global thermoregulator. All of the other significant IR-absorbing gases are much less prevalent than CO2, which is itself less much less prevalent than H2O. However, because at ambient temperature CO2 is a gas and H2O is a liquid, there is an upper limit to H2O concentration, after which it RAINS out of the sky. H2O is too variable across the globe to serve as the primary planetary regulator of temp. CO2 is not.
Al Gore is making a ton of money off of this as are many others. There's your "Inconvenient" "truth"
Good post Fire thunder.
j03cool 2 years ago 14
I'm neither Rep. or Dem. but here in NY (upstate)
we have had the worse 2 winters 08 & 09... this March is average, but trending colder.
I do not believe in GW or GC, it's simply cycles.
crazy7house 2 years ago 9