10 Hitchen's D'Souza Debate Book TV

Already posted but CSPAN had better audio and camera work.

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[horosha]

One thing I love about this argument is how it equates two states that aren't necessarily related. For example:

John makes only blue marbles.

I come across a blue marble.

Therefore, John made it.

Or used in this case:

Designed objects are complex.

Cells are complex.

Therefore, cells are designed objects.

You don't even need to consider it to see how silly it is.

[horosha]

Sometimes I wish Hitchens would learn some new material. Not that I'm saying his words are made false by their repetition, but rather Dinesh--being a populist and history revisionist as well as an apologetic--presents a different challenge for him. Instead of countering Dinesh's misstatements, Hichens brought up the same points he always does. I felt he was the lesser debater for it, despite my agreement.

[Sconezeta]

Dinesh defending Mother Theresa ... fail

[Sconezeta]

@dontletithappen to faith leapers probably.... for me he is spot on

[fjoo]

Problem with Dinesh is that he is so obvious about just trying to score points. He doesn't care if he is dishonest or speaking even against his conviction.

Hitchens also likes to score points, he picks out the areas where he has a strong argument or a joke ready, but at no point is he lying, twisting logic or being dishonest. That should speak loudly..

[dontletithappen]

Hitchen is revolting.

[RyderSpearmann]

I actually found Dinesh's arguments lofty and complete while Hitchens were mostly contrarian in nature, and asked the audience be revolted by the implications of a created universe ("Look how bad this all is, you should reject it") rather than offering a means to advance humanity *in fact* (not merely as a proposition) where we treat each other better, where we live better in a universe without God. Shall we reject dentistry because Hitchens sees there is pain, blood, and demands for payment?

[squidwombat]

It looks like Dinesh got a little nauseous at 1:50

[OhmgrownCron]

I have a question for Dinesh, If instead of going to heaven for doing good deeds, you went to hell, and vice-verca. Then would you still do good and believe in god, even though you would be sentanced to hell? It really judges whether or not he has morals, or is just selfish to save his own skin and party with jesus.

[ShawDAMAN]

despite the (very often ad hominem) attacks on D'souza I actually think he does a much better job of debating Hitchens than most and Hitchens to his credit seems to acknowledge this. I enjoyed watching it, thanks for posting.

[MrShadowz92]

@blopajmbar62 I don't know what you've based this "win" on. As far as I know, there were no points allocated for the countless hitchslaps or D'Souza's shallow rebuttals. If you say D'Souza won because he had the last word, well that was just a time constraint. If you think he won because you felt the applause for him was greater, well that's just really stupid :/ And if you think he won because you felt that his argument was better, then that is just personal opinion and doesn't actually count.

[LoneRookRS1]

I'm sick of religion saying it has the monopoly on human morality. It's nonsense.